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Saturday, October 31, 2009

[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Windows7 vs Ubuntu 9.10

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--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
>
> And your point is...????
>
> <snip>

Ouch Roy that was harsh. I like you so please take this as intended.
That was way harsh. Since this is a Newbies group I suggest we will
always have the Linux vs. Windows type posts. Just let the next one go.

Thanks,
Loyal

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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Saving settings in bootable media

As for Felicia, if it works, there is no need to fix it. 1 GB should
be plenty for any updates you would need. As far as saving settings
and apps, it depends on whether you installed it or are running it as
a live USB.

Loyal

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Darksyde" <m_alexander61@...> wrote:
>
> I am running Mint 7 on a USB with about 1 gig to spare. How can I configure it to save my settings and apps? Also, I've never checked the size of the "average" update but is it safe to assume that 1 gig would take care of all level 1 updates?
> (Sorry, Loyal, but I still love Felicia. Once I have all of my files saved externally and am familiar with Gloria, maybe I'll install her, or possibly jump to Helena.)
> Thanks,
> Mark
>

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Windows7 vs Ubuntu 9.10

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 06:05:16PM -0400, Roy wrote:
> And your point is...????
>
> This is propaganda for Microsoft, IMO. Even though it purports to give
> Ubuntu and Windows similar results it was released to coincide with Karmic's
> release, to remind us that Windows 7 is an alternative and take wind out of
> our sails.

While, in many ways, I agree with that, I'm going to (most respectfully,
as I hope you know) disagree with your point that...

>
> Let's talk about Ubuntu or any other distro on its own merits without
> referencing Microsoft products. It is time we grew up and started ignoring
> you know who.

Unfortunately, it's still a Windows world. In most jobs, people will be
using Windows, one still has to google before buying, say, a printer, to
see if it will work with Linux, and so forth.

For example, I keep thinking that I should offer to teach a little class
on Linux at the local library--something for the end user. But...
then I realize, the library only has wireless, and there's a good chance
that many of the laptops wouldn't work out of the box.

One can say this is the vendors' fault, which it is in a way. But, it's
circular in the sense that they don't support it because it's not that
much of a market, and of course, it's less of a market because they
don't support it.

From an advocacy standpoint, one can't ignore Windows so such
comparisons can be useful, especially to the Windows user thinking of
switching.

So, things like this can be of use, in my humble opinion.

Actually, you're far more of an advocate than I am, including your
excellent blog, so I would think that, if nothing else, this would give
you subject matter. :)

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Windows7 vs Ubuntu 9.10

And your point is...????

This is a Linux forum. Why would we care about Windows 7? I read this a few
days ago.

This is propaganda for Microsoft, IMO. Even though it purports to give
Ubuntu and Windows similar results it was released to coincide with Karmic's
release, to remind us that Windows 7 is an alternative and take wind out of
our sails.

Windows 7 is Vista with lipstick. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is
still a pig. People wanted a success so badly after Vista's failure that
they were singing Win7's praises before it came out. Much of it was from
paid bloggers and hacks. Now we see the problems. Huge patches to fix
vulnerabilities, 20 hour upgrades and endless reboots and Microsoft at a
loss to fix it. Who needs the headache?

Let's talk about Ubuntu or any other distro on its own merits without
referencing Microsoft products. It is time we grew up and started ignoring
you know who.

Roy

2009/10/31 gauthamraj1989 <gauthamraj1989@yahoo.com>

>
>
> Over the past few days I've been thinking quite a bit about the
> differences between Microsoft's latest Windows 7 and Canonical's
> Ubuntu 9.10. Specifically, I've been thinking about the strengths
> and weaknesses of each of the operating systems. Is a free operating
> system really as good as one that you pay for?
> [size-full wp-image-6036 alignright]
> Let's take a look at several aspects of using operating systems and
> examine the various strengths and weaknesses of each OS.
>
> Installation
> Windows 7
>
> * Pros
> - Install is quick, easy and painless.
> - After working through a few wizard screens at the beginning, the
> install is automatic
> * Cons
> - None really
> Ubuntu 9.10
>
> * Pros
> - Option to "try before you install" using the Live CD feature
> - Can easily install as a dual boot or even inside Windows using the
> Wubi installer
> * Cons
> - Unless you're luck to get a CD, you do have to mess about with
> .ISO files and burn a disc. If you're happy doing that, it's not
> really a problem.
> Speed/Performance
> Windows 7
>
> * Pros
> - Both are excellent
> * Cons
> - None really
> Ubuntu 9.10
>
> * Pros
> - Both are excellent
> * Cons
> - None really
> Usability
> I've thought long and hard about this one and I've come to the
> conclusion that while neither OS is perfect (far from it), both are also
> just as usable once you devote the time to figuring things out. I have
> years of Windows experience under my belt and a lot less with Ubuntu but
> I can't say that's a problem.
> Software
> Windows 7
>
> * Pros
> - If you're willing to pay, there's a lot of software for the
> Windows platform
> - Equally, there's a LOT of free stuff if you look around
> * Cons
> - Bundled fayre is pretty poor
> Ubuntu 9.10
>
> * Pros
> - Comes complete with an excellent array of software
> - Access to, and installing, new software is a snap
> * Cons
> - None really … just don't expect to run Windows software (even
> if you do resort to Wine)
> Media Support
> Windows 7
>
> * Pros
> - Excellent support for media formats, including DRMed media, out of the
> box
> * Cons
> - Windows Media Player isn't the best bit of software around
> Ubuntu 9.10
>
> * Pros
> - Good support for media formats
> * Cons
> - If you want to play DVDs then you need to resort to
> "Restricted" codecs
> - Many media formats that use proprietary DRM just won't work on
> Ubuntu because of DRM restrictions
> Hardware support
> Windows 7
>
> * Pros
> - On the whole, Windows 7 offers excellent support for modern hardware
> right out of the box
> * Cons
> - You might be out of luck with old hardware
> Ubuntu 9.10
>
> * Pros
> - Overall, hardware support is good, and getting better
> - On really low-end hardware you can substitute Ubuntu for Xubuntu
> * Cons
> - There are no guarantees
> - There's no "Works with Linux" logo that buyers can look
> for when buying new hardware
> Final thoughts
> There's no doubt that Windows is the default OS for many users. In
> fact, for most users out there it's the only OS and many of those
> aware that a different OS exists know about Mac OS rather than Linux.
> That said though, Linux is a very good, robust and highly-usable
> operating system. It's also fun to use and free. I understand how
> for many people operating systems are akin to religions, but there are
> huge advantages to being OS-agnostic. One advantage is that you can pick
> and choose the right OS for the job.
>
> source:http://linuxtree.blogspot.com/2009/10/windows-7-vs-ubuntu-910.htm\
> l <http://linuxtree.blogspot.com/2009/10/windows-7-vs-ubuntu-910.html>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Saving settings in bootable media

I am posting this to straighten out confusion and not to resolve the
problem. Persistence is not relevant. He could not upgrade if he was running
with persistence. He would need to re-do his image file totally from
scratch.

You can install a distro without worrying about persistence. Persistence is
used for people running from an image on a usb stick so that you can make
changes. This is the way pendrivelinux works. Since the image is fixed you
need to create user space for any changes which is the way persistence
works.

The alternative is to install using the usual method and install it to the
usb as if it was a hard drive. The trick is that you have to write grub to
the usb device instead of your hard drive so that grub will be for hd(0,0).
This way there is no need to make it persistent because it is not running
from an image as in pendrivelinux.

It does not matter because he has his system working and wants to know about
upgrading. Persistence is a red herring since he was not asking an
installation question. I am only throwing some light on the issue of
persistence for people thrown off by the suggestion.

The danger for him is that he will run out of space and his system will lock
up. He needs temp space for his computer to run smoothly. He can help
himself out by cleaning up his drive with Computer Janitor, Ubuntu Tweak or
similar application. Watching multimedia and lots of other activities can
significantly cut into your head room.

Roy

2009/10/31 Darksyde <m_alexander61@yahoo.com>

>
>
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com <LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Arturo Ovalle" <dr_ovalle@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com <LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Darksyde" <m_alexander61@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am running Mint 7 on a USB with about 1 gig to spare. How can I
> configure it to save my settings and apps?
> >
> > You have to make the USB stick to work with persistance. All the files
> you download and the changes you make in the USB persists.
> >
> > This might help:
> >
> >
> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-804-persistent-install-from-linux/
> >
> > maybe in the forums you can find people with the same problem and how
> they resolved it:
> >
> > http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=31391
> >
> > http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=21059&p=181034
> >
> >
> > I hope this help
> >
> Thanks, Arturo, I believe that there should be some useful info there. I'm
> fairly sure that this drive is persistent (can't find the paperwork and
> don't remember which company I ordered it from) so maybe I need to poke
> around in Casper.
> Gracias!
>
>
>

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[nslu2-linux] man / groff shows undecoded escape sequences (was: "groff" install broken, need some hint)

Hi Brian and all,

Now I switched from busybox's less to optware's less.
Also, I export PAGER=/opt/bin/less
(even if "opkg install less" does something to bend less to the new one).

The problem doesn't disappear. Same as before.
"ncurses" is installed, but "ncursesw" isn't - and can't.
As far as I can see, it doesn't exist in ipkg nor opkg.

Thus, I changed in /opt/etc/man.con the line with "GROFF".
Just added "-c" to it, as told in
<http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/2006-11/msg00552.html>
and <http://osdir.com/ml/lfs.support/2002-10/msg00353.html>.

This made man working only in black and grey letters on white background,
but - it's okay! Let's say "WORKSFORME".

Thank you all for friendly assistance!!!

BTW:
If we want to try out, why opkg less didn't fixed it ... let's talk further.

> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1b. Re: "groff" install broken, need some hint
> Posted by: "brian_zhou" b88zhou@gmail.com brian_zhou
> Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:27 pm ((PDT))
>
> Don't know why libstdc++ got "Status: install ok not-installed".
>
> For the corrupt man screen problem, can you make sure optware less is installed, and export PAGER=/opt/bin/less ? Note optware mc is compiled with slang, while less depends on ncursesw.
>
> -Brian
>
> --- In nslu2-linux@yahoogroups.com, Mai Kee Reis <maik_nospam_reiss@...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike and Brian,
>> and all others who would like to help,
>>
>> Yes it is a pair of NSLU2s, both running SlugOS/LE 5.3 with optware feed
>> installed.
>> Adviced by your hints, guesses and questions, I asked again the ipkg,
>> this time about libstdc:
>> MySlug:~# ipkg info 'libstdc*'
>> Package: libstdc++
>> Version: 6.0.9-6
>>
>>> Status: install ok not-installed
>>>
>> Section: util
>> Architecture: arm
>> maintainer: NSLU2 Linux <nslu2-linux@yahoogroups.com>
>> MD5Sum: c2ad38208949ec60177569a55455055a
>> Size: 217708
>> Filename: libstdc++_6.0.9-6_arm.ipk
>> Source: /
>> Description: Standard C++ library, needed for dynamically linked C++
>> programs
>>
>> See above, the line at the '>' mark. Looks like groff ipkg packet really
>> has problems to resolve libstdc dependency, right?
>> Groff knows about the dependancy, see here:
>> MySlug:~# ipkg status groff
>> Package: groff
>> Version: 1.19.2-2
>>
>>> Depends: libstdc++
>>>
>> Status: install ok installed
>> Architecture: arm
>>
>> But for some unknown reasons, I have to manually install libstdc++ now.
>> Okay, I'll do it now:
>> MySlug:~# ipkg install libstdc++
>> (please wait a while, it is just running...okay, it has finished)
>> Now, 'man' and 'groff' have all subsequent libraries .....
>>
>> Oooops!!! New trouble!
>>
>> .... something with the terminal control is bad. See below snipped, I
>> removed some of the blank lines.
>>
>> MySlug:~# man man
>> ________________________________________________________________
>>
>> man(1)
>> man(1)
>> [[1mNAME[[0m
>> man - format and display the on-line manual pages
>> [[1mSYNOPSIS[[0m
>> ________________________________________________________________
>>
>> It looks to me as if ESCAPE-sequences for colorisation are used, but the
>> teminal does not understand it.
>> Please note, my terminal does understand such stuff. I'm connected via
>> ssh, ls and midnight commander
>> are working very well in full colored mode. Just checked it twice again.
>> The related settings are:
>> PAGER='less'
>> VISUAL='joe'
>> TERM='linux'
>> TERMINFO='/opt/lib/terminfo'
>> LS_OPTIONS='--color=auto -h -a -L'
>> But I don't know enough about linux to tell you which terminfo version I
>> installed once.
>> I'm pretty shure, it's the one which was required to get midnight
>> commander working.
>>
>> I would highly appreciate further help from you all,
>> with best regards,
>> Mai Kee R.
>>
>> BTW.:
>> Each day I'm using SlugOS, I see I wasted years of my life with DOS and
>> Windows.
>>
>>

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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Saving settings in bootable media

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ovalle" <dr_ovalle@...> wrote:
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Darksyde" <m_alexander61@> wrote:
> >
> > I am running Mint 7 on a USB with about 1 gig to spare. How can I configure it to save my settings and apps?
>
> You have to make the USB stick to work with persistance. All the files you download and the changes you make in the USB persists.
>
> This might help:
>
> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-804-persistent-install-from-linux/
>
> maybe in the forums you can find people with the same problem and how they resolved it:
>
> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=31391
>
> http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=21059&p=181034
>
>
> I hope this help
>
Thanks, Arturo, I believe that there should be some useful info there. I'm fairly sure that this drive is persistent (can't find the paperwork and don't remember which company I ordered it from) so maybe I need to poke around in Casper.
Gracias!

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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Saving settings in bootable media

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Darksyde" <m_alexander61@...> wrote:
>
> I am running Mint 7 on a USB with about 1 gig to spare. How can I configure it to save my settings and apps?

You have to make the USB stick to work with persistance. All the files you download and the changes you make in the USB persists.

This might help:

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-804-persistent-install-from-linux/

maybe in the forums you can find people with the same problem and how they resolved it:

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=31391

http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=21059&p=181034

you can do that from Windows too:

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-linux-mint-7-kde-flash-drive-creation-windows/

I hope this help

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[LINUX_Newbies] Saving settings in bootable media

I am running Mint 7 on a USB with about 1 gig to spare. How can I configure it to save my settings and apps? Also, I've never checked the size of the "average" update but is it safe to assume that 1 gig would take care of all level 1 updates?
(Sorry, Loyal, but I still love Felicia. Once I have all of my files saved externally and am familiar with Gloria, maybe I'll install her, or possibly jump to Helena.)
Thanks,
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[LINUX_Newbies] Windows7 vs Ubuntu 9.10

Over the past few days I've been thinking quite a bit about the
differences between Microsoft's latest Windows 7 and Canonical's
Ubuntu 9.10. Specifically, I've been thinking about the strengths
and weaknesses of each of the operating systems. Is a free operating
system really as good as one that you pay for?
[size-full wp-image-6036 alignright]
Let's take a look at several aspects of using operating systems and
examine the various strengths and weaknesses of each OS.

Installation
Windows 7

* Pros
- Install is quick, easy and painless.
- After working through a few wizard screens at the beginning, the
install is automatic
* Cons
- None really
Ubuntu 9.10

* Pros
- Option to "try before you install" using the Live CD feature
- Can easily install as a dual boot or even inside Windows using the
Wubi installer
* Cons
- Unless you're luck to get a CD, you do have to mess about with
.ISO files and burn a disc. If you're happy doing that, it's not
really a problem.
Speed/Performance
Windows 7

* Pros
- Both are excellent
* Cons
- None really
Ubuntu 9.10

* Pros
- Both are excellent
* Cons
- None really
Usability
I've thought long and hard about this one and I've come to the
conclusion that while neither OS is perfect (far from it), both are also
just as usable once you devote the time to figuring things out. I have
years of Windows experience under my belt and a lot less with Ubuntu but
I can't say that's a problem.
Software
Windows 7

* Pros
- If you're willing to pay, there's a lot of software for the
Windows platform
- Equally, there's a LOT of free stuff if you look around
* Cons
- Bundled fayre is pretty poor
Ubuntu 9.10

* Pros
- Comes complete with an excellent array of software
- Access to, and installing, new software is a snap
* Cons
- None really … just don't expect to run Windows software (even
if you do resort to Wine)
Media Support
Windows 7

* Pros
- Excellent support for media formats, including DRMed media, out of the
box
* Cons
- Windows Media Player isn't the best bit of software around
Ubuntu 9.10

* Pros
- Good support for media formats
* Cons
- If you want to play DVDs then you need to resort to
"Restricted" codecs
- Many media formats that use proprietary DRM just won't work on
Ubuntu because of DRM restrictions
Hardware support
Windows 7

* Pros
- On the whole, Windows 7 offers excellent support for modern hardware
right out of the box
* Cons
- You might be out of luck with old hardware
Ubuntu 9.10

* Pros
- Overall, hardware support is good, and getting better
- On really low-end hardware you can substitute Ubuntu for Xubuntu
* Cons
- There are no guarantees
- There's no "Works with Linux" logo that buyers can look
for when buying new hardware
Final thoughts
There's no doubt that Windows is the default OS for many users. In
fact, for most users out there it's the only OS and many of those
aware that a different OS exists know about Mac OS rather than Linux.
That said though, Linux is a very good, robust and highly-usable
operating system. It's also fun to use and free. I understand how
for many people operating systems are akin to religions, but there are
huge advantages to being OS-agnostic. One advantage is that you can pick
and choose the right OS for the job.

source:http://linuxtree.blogspot.com/2009/10/windows-7-vs-ubuntu-910.htm\
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[nslu2-linux] man / groff shows undecoded escape sequences (was: "groff" install broken, need some hint)

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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Saving settings in bootable media

[LINUX_Newbies] Saving settings in bootable media

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