Wednesday, June 30, 2010

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Mandriva

 

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 07:34, Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good news for Mandriva users. The company has announced that it has
> found as yet unnamed investors and the company is is good shape for
> the time being. So go ahead and use Mandriva in that knowledge and
> comfort.

Oh good... they got the check I sent them ;-)

Heh... I say it in jest, I don't use Mandriva, but they've been around
for a while and I'd hate to see them just disappear completely. I'm
sentimental like that. Good news for them!

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[LINUX_Newbies] Mandriva

 

Good news for Mandriva users. The company has announced that it has
found as yet unnamed investors and the company is is good shape for
the time being. So go ahead and use Mandriva in that knowledge and
comfort.

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010

[LINUX_Newbies] Re: install ifort

 

On 24Jun2010 23:05, loyal_barber <loyal_barber@yahoo.com> wrote:
| --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "mosesbahrami" <mosesbahrami@...> wrote:
| > I installed Intel FORTRAN compiler on my server.How i can install in another nodes on my cluster,i used Rock Linux.
|
| I don't think this is the right group for determining the use of a
| Rocks Cluster. Anybody have any suggestions where else he might go?
| I would look for forums on the Rocks site first.

Well, there's always the direct approach: ssh to the other cluster
member and do the install there the same way he did the install on the
first machine. That's a generic linux(/unix) question:-)

Maybe there's more context we're missing. Moses: is there any trouble
just logging into the second machine and doing the install?

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Ready to install Linux

 

I will let this thread die a graceful death as this is going nowhere. I am
back in Ubuntu, but will keep Mint around for a bit. Suffice it to say that
I disagree respectfully on the issue of licenses. Fortunately Mint is on the
extreme end of it and few distributions have opted to follow them. Just
don't expect me to applaud anyone who disses Ubuntu for its stance on
restricted software or sees virtue in Mint's position which is to ignore
proprietary licenses.

Roy

On 29 June 2010 16:09, zed <zed@zed.net.nz> wrote:

>
>
> Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com <linuxcanuck%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > I am testing out Mint 9 now. My biggest concerns do far: no licenses to
> > agree to for restricted software, the panel is at the bottom and not top,
> > I dislike the slab menu and unlike Kubuntu there is no right-click change
> > to classic style available, no KDE version at same time as GNOME version
> > (second class status?) and it comes with Mono. I am sure that I will find
> > more to dislike.
>
> (1) The website explains the difference in the versions. Have a look at
> http://www.linuxmint.com/download.phpfter If, after reading the various
> options, you choose to download one that infringes the laws of your
> country,
> then surely it is your decision.
>
> (2) Not true. Click with RIGHT mouse button on the panel. Go to
> Properties/Orientation and make your choice.
>
> (3) Not true. Click on panel with RIGHT mouse button. Choose Add to
> panel. Scroll down until you see Main Menu. Highlight it and click Add.
> Click on the Menu (the slab menu you heartily disklike) and choose Remove
> from panel.
>
> (4) With, I think that with only 4 developers, you are expecting miracles
> for all the versions (Gnome, KDE. LXDE, FluBox, XFCE) to be released on the
> same day. The KDE version was released a couple of days ago.
>
> (5) With regards to MONO, I agree with you. However, I understand that it
> can be uninstalled - but I'm not clever enough to do that without messing
> up
> my system.
>
>
> > For the most part, it is the same as Ubuntu. On mine it is even has
> Ubuntu
> > Software Centre, but it could be called that because I have my old GNOME
> > settings from a previous Ubuntu installation. I did not notice before I
> > installed.
>
> (6) Yep. You should have deleted the old Gnome settings! So, not a valid
> criticism of Mint.
>
>
> >On the positive side, it came with the GIMP and there was no
> > Evolution which I don't use so why install it. It comes with a couple of
> > frills such as Ndiswrapper, but I don't use wireless on this machine so
> it
> > is wasted on me. Likewise with Mint Nanny. My youngest child is 21 so
> > putting it on by default seems silly. The Backup Tool is too basic for my
> > use. AptonCD is a good tool, but seems out of place on a default
> > installation and a waste of bandwidth. Gufw is a good idea. Ubuntu comes
> > with Ufw, but having a GUI is good for most users. It did not come with a
> > partition manager or the ability to make a usb key distribution which I
> > use a lot. It does come with get-deb repositories listed. You just need
> to
> > enable them by checking a box. That is positive.
>
> (7) Remember, Mint is aimed at those who want an easy transition from
> Windows. The choice of software is determined by that fact. True, they
> don't always get it right and I, too, have issues with some of the choices.
>
> However, it is so simple to uninstall what you don't want and install what
> you do, isn't it!
>
> >
> > My concerns about Mint playing loosey goosey with the law on the issue of
> > licenses still bothers me as an open source advocate. There is a
> > difference between open source and proprietary and that line should be
> > defined. However annoying EULAs are to some people they serve a purpose.
> > Score a big one for Ubuntu with me on that one.
>
> (8) See my remarks at (1) above. I do wonder, though, whether Ubuntu
> chooses to display a EULA is because it feels that Windows users feel more
> comfortable when installing, as it is something they expect to see!
>
> > Also a bit disturbing is the panel on the bottom. This pays homage to
>
> > Windows since GNOME's traditional place is at the top. The fact that it
> > can only be moved by creating a new one and deleting the bottom one
> > suggests that most users are stuck with it at the bottom since adding to
> > the new panel must be done manually. This is a real nuisance for a
> > hardcore GNOME user who is used to it at the top and something that
> > newbies are likely to have trouble changing. If you want to run Avant
> > Window Navigator then having the panel at the bottom is crazy. As for
> slab
> > menus, I hate them, even in KDE.
>
> (9) See my remarks at (2) above.
>
>
> > So, I find Mint lacking in many ways and an interesting but not
> > revolutionary departure from Ubuntu. For someone like me, there is no
> > reason to run Mint over Ubuntu and many reasons to stick with Kubuntu as
> > my main OS.
>
> Mint is not perfect by any means but having tried openSuse, Mepis, Puppy,
> Ubuntu, PcLinuxOS, Sabayon, Pardus. GoboLinux, Slax, Sidux, Mandriva, Arch,
> Fedora, and Vector, it is my distribution of choice.
>
> I came to Linux four years ago, after using RISC OS for over fifteen years.
>
> At that time I was bordering on 75 years young and wanted a challenge. I've
> never regretted the change!
>
> And my last bit of advice. Download the Official User Guide for Mint. It
> is full of useful information.
>
> Regards from New Zealand on a very, very wet Wednesday morning.
>
> Zed
> --
> zed
>
> A continuously immaculate house is the sign of a misspent life.
>
>

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Ready to install Linux

 

Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]
> I am testing out Mint 9 now. My biggest concerns do far: no licenses to
> agree to for restricted software, the panel is at the bottom and not top,
> I dislike the slab menu and unlike Kubuntu there is no right-click change
> to classic style available, no KDE version at same time as GNOME version
> (second class status?) and it comes with Mono. I am sure that I will find
> more to dislike.

(1) The website explains the difference in the versions. Have a look at
http://www.linuxmint.com/download.phpfter If, after reading the various
options, you choose to download one that infringes the laws of your country,
then surely it is your decision.

(2) Not true. Click with RIGHT mouse button on the panel. Go to
Properties/Orientation and make your choice.

(3) Not true. Click on panel with RIGHT mouse button. Choose Add to
panel. Scroll down until you see Main Menu. Highlight it and click Add.
Click on the Menu (the slab menu you heartily disklike) and choose Remove
from panel.

(4) With, I think that with only 4 developers, you are expecting miracles
for all the versions (Gnome, KDE. LXDE, FluBox, XFCE) to be released on the
same day. The KDE version was released a couple of days ago.

(5) With regards to MONO, I agree with you. However, I understand that it
can be uninstalled - but I'm not clever enough to do that without messing up
my system.

> For the most part, it is the same as Ubuntu. On mine it is even has Ubuntu
> Software Centre, but it could be called that because I have my old GNOME
> settings from a previous Ubuntu installation. I did not notice before I
> installed.

(6) Yep. You should have deleted the old Gnome settings! So, not a valid
criticism of Mint.

>On the positive side, it came with the GIMP and there was no
> Evolution which I don't use so why install it. It comes with a couple of
> frills such as Ndiswrapper, but I don't use wireless on this machine so it
> is wasted on me. Likewise with Mint Nanny. My youngest child is 21 so
> putting it on by default seems silly. The Backup Tool is too basic for my
> use. AptonCD is a good tool, but seems out of place on a default
> installation and a waste of bandwidth. Gufw is a good idea. Ubuntu comes
> with Ufw, but having a GUI is good for most users. It did not come with a
> partition manager or the ability to make a usb key distribution which I
> use a lot. It does come with get-deb repositories listed. You just need to
> enable them by checking a box. That is positive.

(7) Remember, Mint is aimed at those who want an easy transition from
Windows. The choice of software is determined by that fact. True, they
don't always get it right and I, too, have issues with some of the choices.
However, it is so simple to uninstall what you don't want and install what
you do, isn't it!
>
> My concerns about Mint playing loosey goosey with the law on the issue of
> licenses still bothers me as an open source advocate. There is a
> difference between open source and proprietary and that line should be
> defined. However annoying EULAs are to some people they serve a purpose.
> Score a big one for Ubuntu with me on that one.

(8) See my remarks at (1) above. I do wonder, though, whether Ubuntu
chooses to display a EULA is because it feels that Windows users feel more
comfortable when installing, as it is something they expect to see!

> Also a bit disturbing is the panel on the bottom. This pays homage to
> Windows since GNOME's traditional place is at the top. The fact that it
> can only be moved by creating a new one and deleting the bottom one
> suggests that most users are stuck with it at the bottom since adding to
> the new panel must be done manually. This is a real nuisance for a
> hardcore GNOME user who is used to it at the top and something that
> newbies are likely to have trouble changing. If you want to run Avant
> Window Navigator then having the panel at the bottom is crazy. As for slab
> menus, I hate them, even in KDE.

(9) See my remarks at (2) above.

> So, I find Mint lacking in many ways and an interesting but not
> revolutionary departure from Ubuntu. For someone like me, there is no
> reason to run Mint over Ubuntu and many reasons to stick with Kubuntu as
> my main OS.

Mint is not perfect by any means but having tried openSuse, Mepis, Puppy,
Ubuntu, PcLinuxOS, Sabayon, Pardus. GoboLinux, Slax, Sidux, Mandriva, Arch,
Fedora, and Vector, it is my distribution of choice.

I came to Linux four years ago, after using RISC OS for over fifteen years.
At that time I was bordering on 75 years young and wanted a challenge. I've
never regretted the change!

And my last bit of advice. Download the Official User Guide for Mint. It
is full of useful information.

Regards from New Zealand on a very, very wet Wednesday morning.

Zed
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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Ready to install Linux

I thought that was the case at one time, but read recently that it is based
in the USA. I was aware that the developer lives in Ireland. Maybe it is so
good that many countries want to claim it as their own. :) Ubuntu is listed
as Isle of Man, but it is based in the UK and the originator is from South
Africa. It is sometimes tough to figure these things out. I will look into
it more. Thanks for the heads up.

I am testing out Mint 9 now. My biggest concerns do far: no licenses to
agree to for restricted software, the panel is at the bottom and not top, I
dislike the slab menu and unlike Kubuntu there is no right-click change to
classic style available, no KDE version at same time as GNOME version
(second class status?) and it comes with Mono. I am sure that I will find
more to dislike.

For the most part, it is the same as Ubuntu. On mine it is even has Ubuntu
Software Centre, but it could be called that because I have my old GNOME
settings from a previous Ubuntu installation. I did not notice before I
installed. On the positive side, it came with the GIMP and there was no
Evolution which I don't use so why install it. It comes with a couple of
frills such as Ndiswrapper, but I don't use wireless on this machine so it
is wasted on me. Likewise with Mint Nanny. My youngest child is 21 so
putting it on by default seems silly. The Backup Tool is too basic for my
use. AptonCD is a good tool, but seems out of place on a default
installation and a waste of bandwidth. Gufw is a good idea. Ubuntu comes
with Ufw, but having a GUI is good for most users. It did not come with a
partition manager or the ability to make a usb key distribution which I use
a lot. It does come with get-deb repositories listed. You just need to
enable them by checking a box. That is positive.

My concerns about Mint playing loosey goosey with the law on the issue of
licenses still bothers me as an open source advocate. There is a difference
between open source and proprietary and that line should be defined. However
annoying EULAs are to some people they serve a purpose. Score a big one for
Ubuntu with me on that one.

Also a bit distrurbing is the panel on the bottom. This pays homage to
Windows since GNOME's traditional place is at the top. The fact that it can
only be moved by creating a new one and deleting the bottom one suggests
that most users are stuck with it at the bottom since adding to the new
panel must be done manually. This is a real nuisance for a hardcore GNOME
user who is used to it at the top and something that newbies are likely to
have trouble changing. If you want to run Avant Window Navigator then having
the panel at the bottom is crazy. As for slab menus, I hate them, even in
KDE.

So, I find Mint lacking in many ways and an interesting but not
revolutionary departure from Ubuntu. For someone like me, there is no reason
to run Mint over Ubuntu and many reasons to stick with Kubuntu as my main
OS.

Roy


On 29 June 2010 02:05, zed <zed@zed.net.nz> wrote:

>
>
> Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com <linuxcanuck%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > I find it entirely hypocritical that the US under the guise of ACTA is
> > pushing the rest of the world most of which do NOT accept the idea of
> > software patents and DRM to adopt harsh penalties and Mint which is a US
> > distribution and many Mint users are as well seem to ignore the issue of
> > software licenses. I am concerned about limits to my freedom and see this
> > license issue as a threat.
>
> Minit is definitely not a US distribution. It is developed by Clement
> Lefebvre, who is French, and lives in Ireland.
>
> [snip]
>
> Zed
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>
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>
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Monday, June 28, 2010

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Ready to install Linux

 

Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]
>
> I find it entirely hypocritical that the US under the guise of ACTA is
> pushing the rest of the world most of which do NOT accept the idea of
> software patents and DRM to adopt harsh penalties and Mint which is a US
> distribution and many Mint users are as well seem to ignore the issue of
> software licenses. I am concerned about limits to my freedom and see this
> license issue as a threat.

Minit is definitely not a US distribution. It is developed by Clement
Lefebvre, who is French, and lives in Ireland.

[snip]

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[nslu2-linux] permission problem with "screen" command and normal user

 


I have been using SlugOS/BE modded nslu2 for over a year and it is a really
great file sharing/backup/download solution.

One thing that keeps puzzling me is that everytime after I start a screen
terminal ("$ screen -S rsync" for example) as a normal/non-privileged user,
none of the direction keys (up,down,left, and right) work. The error message
from the terminal shows:
": stuff: permission denied (user teetee)"
//"teetee" is my user account on nslu2

I confirm it's a pure permission problem by running screen with root account
and everything in the root screen terminal works fine(have direction
navigation).

When I searched online, nothing directly related to my problem showed.
However I did learned that "stuff" is like a function in screen which
controls the copy/paste function of the terminal.

I am thinking it might have something to do with the screen terminal's
permission under /dev but then after messing around that (changed permission
on /dev/pts*), I could not log in through ssh and had to re-flash the
system.

Any ideas?

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Re: [nslu2-linux] Re: USB Serial Driver needed

 

> --- In nslu2-linux@yahoogroups.com, Bill V <vodall@...> wrote:
>
> > It might be just what I need to get a nifty ham radio application
> > running on the slug.
>
> Bill, Can you / will your drop a few clues as to what kind of app your working on? (tnx if you do!!).. Your QTH is a bit strange to be working with linux ... hihi. 73 Jim -- AL7RV
>

There's a lot of Linux activity in this neighborhood -- even at the
ham club meetings of one of the larger local software companies. :-)

My 'slug' project is to get some Amateur "packet" radio applications
running on the unslung NSLU2 rather than a big noisy PC with moving
parts... It's similar to this WRT54/NSLU2 project (
http://wetnet.net/node/759 ) except I'm going unslung rather then pure
embedded. Gigabytes of space for additional applications at the
expense of an old thumb drive is just too attractive.

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Ready to install Linux

I said that it wasn't personal but tried to keep it general. I was referring
to behaviour of some Mint users who find it troublesome to install one
package, restricted-extras. That is just laziness. As for unethical that
refers to not caring about licenses. Open source is all about licenses. The
name open source and free software both refer to it, so it must be
important.

I did not slap Mint around. I resent Mint users characterising itself as
easier to use or better than Ubuntu. While I admit to using proprietary
codecs, I agreed to the license conditions to do so. What I object to is
ignoring licenses and seeing virtue in that. Rather than trying to state
that Mint is superior Mint users need to show a little more respect for
goose that lays their golden egg and not undermine its position.

I fear that you are taking this personal. Let's both chill for a bit. I
respect that you are a big Mint booster and hope that you continue in your
role of helping Mint users. I hope that you defend Mint, but draw the line
at doing so at the expense of Ubuntu or any other distribution. I will not
call it Ubuntu late. That is unnecessary. I still do not agree with their
stand on restricted licenses, but they are not the only distribution to do
it. There is room enough for Mint and Ubuntu. Users need to be careful when
they are advocates not to tread on others' toes.

Roy


On 28 June 2010 14:34, loyal_barber <loyal_barber@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> I will comment on only one thing below then let the rest of the
> rant go. I recommend Ubuntu and use it so I resent being
> categorized as lazy and unethical because I use and recommend
> Mint. I repeat my point that it is disingenuous to slap Mint around
> because (1) they were 16 days later than Ubuntu and (2) they use
> proprietary codecs that you use also.
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com <LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
> >
> > I was NOT having a bad day. My problem is not with Mint but Mint USERS
> who
> > advocate it on the basis that you do not need to install codecs as if
> this
> > is some kind of virtue.
> <snip>
>
> > Mint's
> > attitude re: proprietary drivers and codecs like its users seems to be
> based
> > on laziness and in the long run will work against Linux users.
> >
> > I find it entirely hypocritical that the US under the guise of ACTA is
> > pushing the rest of the world most of which do NOT accept the idea of
> > software patents and DRM to adopt harsh penalties and Mint which is a US
> > distribution
>
> It is so easy to determine that this statement is not true that
> it points out exactly my point. You have an axe to grind and have
> done ZERO research. Otherwise you would know that Mint is not
> in any way a US distribution.
>
> > <mega-biased crap snip>
> > Roy
>
> Roy,
> You have an axe to grind. You have done it. Let's move on and
> not waste the group's time. If you ever want to actually learn
> something about Mint, please let me know. If you want to continue
> this inane rant, please DON'T let me know.
>
> BTW, I look forward to your next non-Mint post. In general you
> have very enlightening posts. I personally have learned a lot from
> you and look forward to doing so in the future. I really do
> respect you, just not on this particular rant.
>
> Loyal
>
>
>


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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Ready to install Linux

 

I will comment on only one thing below then let the rest of the
rant go. I recommend Ubuntu and use it so I resent being
categorized as lazy and unethical because I use and recommend
Mint. I repeat my point that it is disingenuous to slap Mint around
because (1) they were 16 days later than Ubuntu and (2) they use
proprietary codecs that you use also.

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
>
> I was NOT having a bad day. My problem is not with Mint but Mint USERS who
> advocate it on the basis that you do not need to install codecs as if this
> is some kind of virtue.
<snip>

> Mint's
> attitude re: proprietary drivers and codecs like its users seems to be based
> on laziness and in the long run will work against Linux users.
>
> I find it entirely hypocritical that the US under the guise of ACTA is
> pushing the rest of the world most of which do NOT accept the idea of
> software patents and DRM to adopt harsh penalties and Mint which is a US
> distribution

It is so easy to determine that this statement is not true that
it points out exactly my point. You have an axe to grind and have
done ZERO research. Otherwise you would know that Mint is not
in any way a US distribution.

> <mega-biased crap snip>
> Roy

Roy,
You have an axe to grind. You have done it. Let's move on and
not waste the group's time. If you ever want to actually learn
something about Mint, please let me know. If you want to continue
this inane rant, please DON'T let me know.

BTW, I look forward to your next non-Mint post. In general you
have very enlightening posts. I personally have learned a lot from
you and look forward to doing so in the future. I really do
respect you, just not on this particular rant.

Loyal

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