Monday, December 31, 2012

[LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question UPDATE Pangolin to Quantal

 



--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "highskywhy@..." <highskywhy@...> wrote:
>
> Sa Dez 29 16:27:21 2012
> Good evening
> Thank You for help.

[snip]

> General advice: ALWAYS make a backup of the file you are about to mess
> around with [I had to learn that the hard way for a few times x-(]
> A quick way to do that, make a copy of the file in the same directory
> and append it with a suffix of your liking:
> Example:
> # cp /etc/apt/sources.list{,-OLD}
> *
> Where can I find an introction about the directories
> so I can save them on a stick:
> gconf
> config
> fontconfig
> Adobe
> pki
> kde
> and so on.
> Maybe there is a homepage in the www
> where all this Linux directories are described.
>
I don't think there is one website to go to for information, you should visit GNOME's and KDE's pages for advice how to backup settings for example.

>
>
> This command creates a copy of the file and appends '-OLD' to the copy.
> So in case anything gets screwed up (network-interfaces, fstab, mtab,
> sources.list, you name it) you copy back the original.
>
> *
> Thank You.
>
> > I can't stand terminal editors so I grant the root user access to my X
> > session so I can use a sane GUI editor with this command:
> >
> > pfred1@buck:~$ xhost +local:root
> > *
> > OK
> >
[snip]

> What is the most easy way to update or upgrade Pangolin to Quantal using
> Xubuntu?

You would have to change 'Pangolin' to 'Quantal' in the file 'sources.list' and then do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.

Personally, I tried a dist-upgrade once on Ubuntu and once on Debian, and both ended up in a total mess, so I advise against doing such a thing. Rather do a clean fresh install, but that is based on my experience, so other people might say something different.

>
> > I like aptitude though, and use it often, for whatever that is worth.
> > In fact I just used aptitude to check the status of synaptic on this
> > system. I haven't used synaptic on this PC in so long I couldn't
> > remember if I had it installed, or not. Admittedly I am not too crazy
> > about aptitude's ncurses interface, but just to do a show, a search, or
> > install, I use aptitude all of the time.
>
> You know that you do not have to use ncurses interface of aptitude but
> may simply type commands as with apt-get like?
>
> aptitude install PACKAGE
> aptitude search PACKAGE
> aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
>
> I hope that makes things a little bit clearer,
> *
> I prefer to use the terminal like
> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
> sudo apt-get clean
> sudo apt-get update --fix-missing
>
> but maybe the GUI is more easy
>
>
>
> Should I do this
> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
> sudo apt-get clean
> sudo apt-get update --fix-missing
> aptitude install PACKAGE
> aptitude search PACKAGE
> aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
> ?

Please do not mix the commands 'apt-get' and 'aptitude'. They are two differnt tools to manage packages under Debian-based Linux distributions although very, very similiar. The point is that they both keep their own log file of what has been installed or removed and when trying to find out what has gone wrong during an update, it is a lot harder to sift through two log files instead of one. So either use exclusively 'apt-get' or 'aptitude', their syntax is quite similiar.

Pascal

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Saturday, December 29, 2012

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question UPDATE Pangolin to Quantal

 

Sa Dez 29 16:27:21 2012
Good evening
Thank You for help.

> The syntax of /etc/apt/sources.list is simple enough. I feel it is
> certainly worthwhile to master. I would be missing critical system
> components if it was not for adding repository locations to my file.
> *
> Is it dangerous to open system files?

You can always destroy your system when modifying system files, but on
the other hand quite often we have to in order to configure it the way
we want. Besides: No risk, no fun!
*
Thank You.

General advice: ALWAYS make a backup of the file you are about to mess
around with [I had to learn that the hard way for a few times x-(]
A quick way to do that, make a copy of the file in the same directory
and append it with a suffix of your liking:
Example:
# cp /etc/apt/sources.list{,-OLD}
*
Where can I find an introction about the directories
so I can save them on a stick:
gconf
config
fontconfig
Adobe
pki
kde
and so on.
Maybe there is a homepage in the www
where all this Linux directories are described.

This command creates a copy of the file and appends '-OLD' to the copy.
So in case anything gets screwed up (network-interfaces, fstab, mtab,
sources.list, you name it) you copy back the original.

*
Thank You.

> I can't stand terminal editors so I grant the root user access to my X
> session so I can use a sane GUI editor with this command:
>
> pfred1@buck:~$ xhost +local:root
> *
> OK
>
>
> I have synaptic installed, but I never use it. I mean I have, but it
> generally doesn't appeal to me.
> *
> Is it dangerous to use Synaptic?
> Or is it just more easy for a beginner?
>

As far as I know, Synaptic is just a graphical frontend for apt-get, the
other package-management tool for Debian-based distributions.
*
Is it more easy to use the terminal
for example:

sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
sudo apt-get clean
sudo apt-get update --fix-missing

(This I am doing once a week)
or is it more easy to do with the Synaptic?

What is the most easy way to update or upgrade Pangolin to Quantal using
Xubuntu?

> I like aptitude though, and use it often, for whatever that is worth.
> In fact I just used aptitude to check the status of synaptic on this
> system. I haven't used synaptic on this PC in so long I couldn't
> remember if I had it installed, or not. Admittedly I am not too crazy
> about aptitude's ncurses interface, but just to do a show, a search, or
> install, I use aptitude all of the time.

You know that you do not have to use ncurses interface of aptitude but
may simply type commands as with apt-get like?

aptitude install PACKAGE
aptitude search PACKAGE
aptitude update && aptitude upgrade

I hope that makes things a little bit clearer,
*
I prefer to use the terminal like
sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
sudo apt-get clean
sudo apt-get update --fix-missing

but maybe the GUI is more easy

Should I do this
sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
sudo apt-get clean
sudo apt-get update --fix-missing
aptitude install PACKAGE
aptitude search PACKAGE
aptitude update && aptitude upgrade

?

Pascal

Regards
Sophie

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Friday, December 28, 2012

[LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

 



--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "highskywhy@..." <highskywhy@...> wrote:

>
>
> The syntax of /etc/apt/sources.list is simple enough. I feel it is
> certainly worthwhile to master. I would be missing critical system
> components if it was not for adding repository locations to my file.
> *
> Is it dangerous to open system files?

You can always destroy your system when modifying system files, but on the other hand quite often we have to in order to configure it the way we want. Besides: No risk, no fun!

General advice: ALWAYS make a backup of the file you are about to mess around with [I had to learn that the hard way for a few times x-(]
A quick way to do that, make a copy of the file in the same directory and append it with a suffix of your liking:

Example:
# cp /etc/apt/sources.list{,-OLD}

This command creates a copy of the file and appends '-OLD' to the copy. So in case anything gets screwed up (network-interfaces, fstab, mtab, sources.list, you name it) you copy back the original.

> I can't stand terminal editors so I grant the root user access to my X
> session so I can use a sane GUI editor with this command:
>
> pfred1@buck:~$ xhost +local:root
> *
> OK
>
>
> I have synaptic installed, but I never use it. I mean I have, but it
> generally doesn't appeal to me.
> *
> Is it dangerous to use Synaptic?
> Or is it just more easy for a beginner?
>

As far as I know, Synaptic is just a graphical frontend for apt-get, the other package-management tool for Debian-based distributions.

> I like aptitude though, and use it often, for whatever that is worth.
> In fact I just used aptitude to check the status of synaptic on this
> system. I haven't used synaptic on this PC in so long I couldn't
> remember if I had it installed, or not. Admittedly I am not too crazy
> about aptitude's ncurses interface, but just to do a show, a search, or
> install, I use aptitude all of the time.

You know that you do not have to use ncurses interface of aptitude but may simply type commands as with apt-get like?

aptitude install PACKAGE
aptitude search PACKAGE
aptitude update && aptitude upgrade

I hope that makes things a little bit clearer,

Pascal

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

 



Fr Dez 28 17:17:12 2012

Good evening.

>>
>> Do Dez 27 18:06:28 2012
>> Good evening.
>> Thank You for help.
>>
>>> The sources list edit is a editing a text file, but you
>> will need to use
>>> sudo to open the editor. That is complicated for a
>> newbie.
>>> Roy
>>> Using Kubuntu 12.10, 64-bit
>>> Location: Canada
>> Should I open
>> Sudo
>> passwort
>> mc
>> and there the editor?
>
> I don't use Midnite Commander. I just use whatever GUI editor I
happen to have installed, on a KDE system that would be kwrite, and on
Gnome gedit.
*
Is is possible to start an editor with the rights of the admin?

>> The syntax of /etc/apt/sources.list is simple enough. I feel
>> it is certainly worthwhile to master. I would be missing
>> critical system components if it was not for adding
>> repository locations to my file.
>> *
>> Is it dangerous to open system files?
>
> It is only dangerous if you make a mistake. How dangerous depends on
the error too. I've never crippled a system by making an editing error
in a configuration file, but that is not to say it is impossible to do.
I have made plenty of mistakes and had to go back and repair them too.
Then usually things that I want to work don't until I have corrected my
mistakes. Often they weren't working before I made mistakes either so
the damage is inconsequential.
*
Ok.

> One way to protect yourself from editing errors is to make a backup
file of the file you plan on editing before you make any changes to it.
That way if things go badly you can revert to the original file.
*
Can a problem only happen during booting?
And if really there is a problem, should then I boot with a Live-CD?
>> *

> Synaptic is good if you don't know what you are looking for, aptitude
is better if you do. I guess every new user should try to scroll through
synaptic once. I used to try on every fresh install I did.
*
I did it very often.
Question:
What is Midori and what is Midori private?

> Pro tip: Make sure all of your repository sources are enabled. Often
the "contrib" and "non-free" can be disabled by default. There are
useful software packages located in those categories. How packages end
up being classified is beyond me trying to explain it, and those names
likely don't mean what you may think they do. "non-free" for instance
doesn't mean it costs you any money, it just means the source code may
not be available. Which if all you want to do is run a program is not
too important to most users.
>
> I don't run Ubuntu so I don't know what their policies are regarding
defaults. But they essentially borrow the system from the distribution I
do run, Debian, so it basically works the same.
*
Thank You for help.

Regards Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

 



Fr Dez 28 17:22:07 2012
Good evening.
Thank You for help.

> > Just a question:
> > Debian is a relationship to Ubuntu.
> > Is it easy to use Debian for a beginner.
> > I was looking for a "small" system, so I tried Lubuntu and Xubuntu
> > because both look better for me then Ubuntu.
> > But Lubutu crashed during install so I am using Xubuntu.
> >
> >
>
> I think debian can be a little of a challenge for many beginners.
*
My impression was, Ubuntu or Xubuntu is more easy for beginner.
Thank You for email.
Regards
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

 

Fr Dez 28 17:23:26 2012 Good evening.
Thank You for help.

>> Is it necessary to update every Linux System?
>
> I can only answer it depends. Some software is genuinely buggy, and
security exploits do crop up from time to time. Also some new features
may be rolled out during a release's lifetime that are desirable too. I
used to update religiously and I have to admit I never really noticed
any big improvements. A couple of times I even got "improvements" that I
did not want too. There really is no guarantee that an update will not
introduce new bugs, or weaknesses to a system. People make mistakes
after all.
*
Is there a difference between Slitaz and Ubuntus and Siduction?

>
>> Is it possible to use Linux offline?
>
> Yes. Although you will not be able to use some features like online
software updating of course.
*
Yes, sure no online software.
But for example is it possible a new Blender to an old Ubuntu
or should I update with a new Live CD every 6 months the whole system?
>
>> For example can I install Blender 2.63, which is new, with
>> an offline-Ubuntu-Hardy?
>
> Out of repository software installation can be a complicated task.
There is a way to make your own software packages that you can then
install using the package manager but I generally do not go through all
of the trouble myself.
*
Thank You.

>
> For software that is not packaged other rules apply. The Linux
filesystem has a few places where locally installed software is supposed
to go, /usr/local, /opt, and you can place things into your home
directory too. Theoretically software installed those places is
segregated from the rest of the system but still available. Negative
interactions can still occur if say multiple shared libraries are
installed in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib
*
This is special for a newbie.
But maybe later I can manage that.
I want to learn "Linux".

>
> I don't want to alarm you but Linux has its own version of DLL hell.
Fortunately we have a few tools we can use to deal with it when it crops
up though. Here are some words you can read about in man pages for more
information:
>
> ldconfig
> ldd
> nm
>
> lsof is also a handy tool to track down system anomalies too. It is
something you should be aware exists. I used it recently to fix my web
browser. Turns out a bad cached font file was really messing it up.
>
> Now back to software packages that come from sources other than your
installation's repository. Generally users are discouraged from using
packages that aren't supposed to be used with their operating system
release. But that is not to say that it always fails, or causes system
problems. The trouble people get into here is sometimes it does work, it
depends on the package.
>
> There are other ways of installing software that are more
recommended. Using your Blender example for instance I've installed
blender-2.63 from source code I downloaded directly off their website.
Doing that I avoided my package manager's dependency requirements all
together, and also kept my installation from tainting my system too.
>
> It took me a long time to learn how to build large software packages
though so I'm afraid the best I can tell you is doing that is something
you are going to have to work on yourself to get better at. I'm still
not great at it myself, but I usually manage to do what I want to. Not
all of the time though.
>
> Pro Tip: Whenever you attempt to do anything really challenging in
Linux make a text file of process notes. It'll help you organize your
thoughts in the moment and it is good reference if you ever need to
perform the same task again, or go back and fix something you may have
done wrong. In the file you can gather information about the task,
record the exact commands you used, any output etc. I'd be lost without
my notes. My notes are usually pretty rough but they keep me on track
here is a sample of me building my kernel for instance:
*
Thank You for help.
I only use Linux online now.
There is an offline Windos PC.
I am just thinking about the offline PC to Linux.

Regards
Sophie

>
> -------- copy -----
>
> Linux buck 2.6.34.13 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Sep 29 19:22:46 EDT 2012 i686
GNU/Linux
>
>
> pfred1@buck:/usr/src/linux$ grep CONFIG_SENSORS_F71882FG .config
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_F71882FG is not set
>
> I need to dump my old kernel vmlinuz-2.6.320
>
> dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.320
>
> Now select the module in the menu
>
> save this just in case:
> pfred1@buck:/usr/src/linux$ cp .config ~/KernelConfig.txt
>
> -rw-r--r-- 1 pfred1 pfred1 68282 Sep 29 19:18 .config
>
> make-kpkg clean
>
> that didn't touch .config
>
> make menuconfig
>
> OK found it selected it as a module
>
> export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2
>
> or:
> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=$(getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN)
> echo $(getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN)
> 2
>
> /usr/src/linux$ time fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=02
kernel_image modules_image
>
>
> Perhaps I should be using this --append-to-version switch?
> make-kpkg --append-to-version -5custom01-686 \
> --revision 2.6.32-46 --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot \
> kernel_image modules_image
>
> I'm going with this:
> /usr/src/linux$ time fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version
-2x686 kernel_image modules_image
>
> --------- end of copy -----
>
> Some of that is pretty dense stuff that doesn't roll around in my
head too comfortably. So putting it into a text file helps me out a lot.
Keeping notes files is kind of like a lever that allows me to lift
heavier weight than I could on my own. This simple technique transformed
what I was capable of doing in Linux. Anyhow I'm just putting it out
there. Do it, don't do it, it is what I do. Instead of wishing someone
wrote a manual for doing some of this stuff I kind of write my own? Oh
by the way that paste isn't the definitive correct way to build a kernel
in Debian, it is just one way I did it. I always manage to do it a
little differently. It isn't a bad start though.
>
> Anyhow learning the package management system is pretty important and
I'm sure Ubuntu has their own documentation that covers the topic, but
it is the same system Debian uses and Debian's documentation is the
definitive reference, so here is a link to it:
>
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html
>
> I wish this stuff was easier, but it isn't. Piloting a rocket ship to
the Moon probably only looks easy too. Modern computers are more
complicated than that! When you go out of your distribution's repository
things do tend to get a little complicated.
>
> I don't want to discourage you, I build and install some software I
really want, but mostly I stick with what I can get with my package
manager too. I know with Blender in order to follow along with a lot of
the online tutorials you need the newer version. That is why I built a
local copy of it for myself. So sometimes we don't have a choice. Some
kind people do build custom packages for popular distributions and offer
them, and there is another service called backports that can be checked
too. Backports are newer versions of software packaged for older
distribution releases. All of that is done to make it easier for users
to avoid the hassles of trying to build their own software.
>
> So search the Internet because someone might have the version of
Blender you want packaged for your distribution that you can download
and install. If you can find it it would be the easiest thing for you to
do. Installing it would be a simple dpkg -i command.
>
> I do recommend that you do learn how to compile software though. I
mean that is one of the big benefits of running Linux, that we can do
that. It offers the ultimate in flexibility. It's as good as Mom's home
cooking!
>
> pfred1@buck:~$ uname -a
> Linux buck 2.6.34.13-2x686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Dec 11 21:23:45 EST
2012 i686 GNU/Linux
>
> I built that! The Debian way of building kernels (that Ubuntu can do
too) is really nice. I personally wouldn't have it any other way. How to
do that exactly right is as I'm sure you can imagine pretty involved
though. But building your own custom kernel is something the Windows
crowd will never get to do now will they? I mean if we're going to run
Linux we might as well take advantage of the situation.
>
> This is a lot to digest but you asked some pretty big questions. I
also have a habit of digressing. Take things one step at a time and
you'll manage.
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Sophie

Yes.

I am saving all these emails and later on I am studying this.

Thank You again.

Sophie

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Thursday, December 27, 2012

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

Good evening
Do Dez 27 17:53:47 2012 Thank you for help.

The sources list edit is a editing a text file, but you will need to use
sudo to open the editor.
*
Question:
Can I open a restricted file like this.
sudo
passwort
mc
Then using mc using there the editor.


That is complicated for a newbie. The easier
method is to use Synaptic.
*
Is that the package manager?

You may have to install it if it is not
installed.
*
I am using Xubuntu.
There is a Synaptic manager.


Then open Synaptic. It will ask for the password. This is
basically the same as using sudo above, but you do not have to navigate to
the sources file or use a text editor.
*
Ok

In Synaptic go to Settings, Repositories in the menu. There click on the
Updates tab.
*
OK
Then at the bottom change it from long term support versions
to For any new version.

Now I dont understand:

You can do the same thing from other application
that accesses the software sources, such as Update Manager, Settings or
Muon Updater. Or you can install a utility like Ubuntu Tweak. There are
many GUI ways to do what can be done from the commandline. It is up to you
to choose the way that works best for you.
*
???
I did open
Synaptic.
I wrote password.
Finished.
Sorry.


Roy



Regards
Sophie





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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

 



Do Dez 27 18:06:28 2012
Good evening.
Thank You for help.

> The sources list edit is a editing a text file, but you will need to use
> sudo to open the editor. That is complicated for a newbie.
> Roy
> Using Kubuntu 12.10, 64-bit
> Location: Canada
Should I open
Sudo
passwort
mc
and there the editor?

The syntax of /etc/apt/sources.list is simple enough. I feel it is
certainly worthwhile to master. I would be missing critical system
components if it was not for adding repository locations to my file.
*
Is it dangerous to open system files?
*
I can't stand terminal editors so I grant the root user access to my X
session so I can use a sane GUI editor with this command:

pfred1@buck:~$ xhost +local:root
*
OK

I have synaptic installed, but I never use it. I mean I have, but it
generally doesn't appeal to me.
*
Is it dangerous to use Synaptic?
Or is it just more easy for a beginner?

I like aptitude though, and use it often, for whatever that is worth.
In fact I just used aptitude to check the status of synaptic on this
system. I haven't used synaptic on this PC in so long I couldn't
remember if I had it installed, or not. Admittedly I am not too crazy
about aptitude's ncurses interface, but just to do a show, a search, or
install, I use aptitude all of the time.
*
Thank You.

Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

Good evening
Do Dez 27 18:09:38 2012

>> Is this a new feature in 12.04? I stopped recommending and installing
>> ubuntu for people because it was all but begging to upgrade from 10.04.
It
>> simply blew my mind, and not in a good way.
>
> There has to be a way to turn update notifications off. I have two
systems here that still run Debian Lenny and I never get any update
notifications with them.
*
Just a question:
Debian is a relationship to Ubuntu.
Is it easy to use Debian for a beginner.
I was looking for a "small" system, so I tried Lubuntu and Xubuntu
because both look better for me then Ubuntu.
But Lubutu crashed during install so I am using Xubuntu.


As with most things ridiculous, there are about 20 different ways to do
that. But when that sort of lunacy hits three systems for friends/family
that I "support" and generates many hours of work amongst uncountable
swears of profanity... I tend to hold a grudge.
*
I try to do not destroy the system.
I want to to it simple.
I prefer to learn the terminal.

>
> This PC that I am on now will go to it's grave with the install it is
running now. I'll never upgrade it. I don't think from here on in I'm even
going to update it anymore. Everything works fine as far as I'm concerned.
No change would be for the better.
*
How about the duty to update Linux?

Example:
I tried to install VLC.
Crash.
I did update and then I could install VLC.


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Sophie




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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

 



Good eveningDo Dez 27 17:45:23 2012
Thank You for help.

> Is this a new feature in 12.04? I stopped recommending and installing
> ubuntu for people because it was all but begging to upgrade from
10.04. It
> simply blew my mind, and not in a good way.

There has to be a way to turn update notifications off. I have two
systems here that still run Debian Lenny and I never get any update
notifications with them.

This PC that I am on now will go to it's grave with the install it is
running now. I'll never upgrade it. I don't think from here on in I'm
even going to update it anymore. Everything works fine as far as I'm
concerned. No change would be for the better.
*
Is it necessary to update every Linux System?
Is it possible to use Linux offline?
For example can I install Blender 2.63, which is new, with an
offline-Ubuntu-Hardy?

Regards
Sophie

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Tuesday, December 25, 2012

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

On Dec 24, 2012 1:14 PM, "Paul" <pfrederick1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, c beck <usabecker@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is this a new feature in 12.04? I stopped recommending and installing
> > ubuntu for people because it was all but begging to upgrade from 10.04.
It
> > simply blew my mind, and not in a good way.
>
> There has to be a way to turn update notifications off. I have two
systems here that still run Debian Lenny and I never get any update
notifications with them.

As with most things ridiculous, there are about 20 different ways to do
that. But when that sort of lunacy hits three systems for friends/family
that I "support" and generates many hours of work amongst uncountable
swears of profanity... I tend to hold a grudge.

>
> This PC that I am on now will go to it's grave with the install it is
running now. I'll never upgrade it. I don't think from here on in I'm even
going to update it anymore. Everything works fine as far as I'm concerned.
No change would be for the better.
>

Amen!

And Merry Holiday...

>


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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

 



--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
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> The sources list edit is a editing a text file, but you will need to use
> sudo to open the editor. That is complicated for a newbie.
> Roy
> Using Kubuntu 12.10, 64-bit
> Location: Canada
>

The syntax of /etc/apt/sources.list is simple enough. I feel it is certainly worthwhile to master. I would be missing critical system components if it was not for adding repository locations to my file.

I can't stand terminal editors so I grant the root user access to my X session so I can use a sane GUI editor with this command:

pfred1@buck:~$ xhost +local:root

I have synaptic installed, but I never use it. I mean I have, but it generally doesn't appeal to me. I like aptitude though, and use it often, for whatever that is worth. In fact I just used aptitude to check the status of synaptic on this system. I haven't used synaptic on this PC in so long I couldn't remember if I had it installed, or not. Admittedly I am not too crazy about aptitude's ncurses interface, but just to do a show, a search, or install, I use aptitude all of the time.

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

The sources list edit is a editing a text file, but you will need to use
sudo to open the editor. That is complicated for a newbie. The easier
method is to use Synaptic. You may have to install it if it is not
installed. Then open Synaptic. It will ask for the password. This is
basically the same as using sudo above, but you do not have to navigate to
the sources file or use a text editor.

In Synaptic go to Settings, Repositories in the menu. There click on the
Updates tab. Then at the bottom change it from long term support versions
to For any new version. You can do the same thing from other application
that accesses the software sources, such as Update Manager, Settings or
Muon Updater. Or you can install a utility like Ubuntu Tweak. There are
many GUI ways to do what can be done from the commandline. It is up to you
to choose the way that works best for you.

Roy
Using Kubuntu 12.10, 64-bit
Location: Canada


On 24 December 2012 14:14, Paul <pfrederick1@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, c beck <usabecker@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is this a new feature in 12.04? I stopped recommending and installing
> > ubuntu for people because it was all but begging to upgrade from 10.04.
> It
> > simply blew my mind, and not in a good way.
>
> There has to be a way to turn update notifications off. I have two systems
> here that still run Debian Lenny and I never get any update notifications
> with them.
>
> This PC that I am on now will go to it's grave with the install it is
> running now. I'll never upgrade it. I don't think from here on in I'm even
> going to update it anymore. Everything works fine as far as I'm concerned.
> No change would be for the better.
>
>
>


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Monday, December 24, 2012

[LINUX_Newbies] Re: NEWBIE with first question

 



--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, c beck <usabecker@...> wrote:
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> Is this a new feature in 12.04? I stopped recommending and installing
> ubuntu for people because it was all but begging to upgrade from 10.04. It
> simply blew my mind, and not in a good way.

There has to be a way to turn update notifications off. I have two systems here that still run Debian Lenny and I never get any update notifications with them.

This PC that I am on now will go to it's grave with the install it is running now. I'll never upgrade it. I don't think from here on in I'm even going to update it anymore. Everything works fine as far as I'm concerned. No change would be for the better.

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