Thursday, March 28, 2013

[LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter

 

Hi Donald,

Your initial thread seems to have got hijacked.

What problems are you having installing the driver (e.g. do you get error messages when you type 'make'?).

What amateur radio programs in particular are you looking at? Just about all linux applications will run on other distributions but may take a bit of work to do so (e.g. using alien to convert from one package manager to another, e.g. .deb to .rpm) so you aren't stuck with one distribution. Look around, find one you like and then develop skills - they can readily be transferred to other distros.

P.

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>
> Yes when I plug the adapter in nothing is seen on desktop. I have not tried another Linux Live because Centos is what I need for Amateur Radio applications. A driver disk came with the adapter. Two files are on the disk. "Linux_7830.tar" and "MCS7830_FreeBSC.tar" I am trying to read on how to install the driver from these files but it is pretty complicated!
> Thank you
> Don
>

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter (OT) build your own kernel

Hey! At least I started on a kernel 2 ! :-)
Le 2013-03-28 18:26, "pmooney22" <kwacka2@netscape.net> a écrit :

> **
>
>
> Ok so you started using Linux in the 1990s, as did I (before Bob got his
> pipe).
>
> Please allow me to place my lips against your buttocks.
>
> Meanwhile, the question I asked the O/P was, what problems are you having
> installing the driver? For example, when you type 'make' do you get error
> messages?
>
>
>


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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter (OT) build your own kernel

 

Ok so you started using Linux in the 1990s, as did I (before Bob got his pipe).

Please allow me to place my lips against your buttocks.

Meanwhile, the question I asked the O/P was, what problems are you having installing the driver? For example, when you type 'make' do you get error messages?

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter (OT) build your own kernel

 

I am with you Paul.

I started up with debian 1.1 (Buzz) and I was doing the network install over a windows internet share on a 28.8k modem..

I had to wait hours for "package" to download.. And I was compiling my kernels.. I dont do that anymore as most of the time the kernels that come with the disto I use alway's fit.

But It is a good Idea to know how a kernel is built, and sometimes when I feel like optimizing my machine I do a kernel compile.. And its fun!

From: Paul
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To: LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter (OT) build your own kernel

--- In mailto:LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com, "pmooney22" <kwacka2@...> wrote:
>
> The O/P requested advice on how to get a particular device working and, with respect to the O/P the comment that they were having difficuly in installing a driver suggested to me that they were new to GNU/Linux.
>
> The O/P did NOT ask (until another poster mentioned this) about configuring the kernel, and posts then moved to whether the driver in question would be in a newer kernel (the file linked is 5 years old, the original driver was a decade ago so a newer kernel is largely irrelevent)

That is nice but I was not replying to the original poster I was replying to you.

>
> I agree with much of what you say; it would be ideal if everybody utilised LFS and built their own drivers; but I'd suggest that comes after topics such as kernel configuration which, in turn, came after software compilation and driver installation, which might (in turn) would follow advice on installing a popular distribution (Mint, Ubuntu et al). I don't expect anybody to advise a user to start off on Gentoo, or even Arch Linux.

I started off with Slackware in the 90s and I survived.

>
> It may well be that the O/P has no interest in developing skills beyond those of a user, rather than an expert on GNU/Linux, and merely wants to use a particular device that they possess. That is their prerogative.

Then it is my prerogative to tell users like that I feel they are wasting their time.
>
> I agree there is nothing magic about compiling a kernel. However I would suggest that there are many linux users that have never compiled a kernel, in the same way there are possibly millions that have never used the 'power'-shell when running Windows, and new users should be encouraged rather than it be suggested that you 'have to' compile a kernel as a first step.

Why? We are talking about Linux aren't we? Either use it, or don't.

>
> Regards

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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter (OT) build your own kernel

 



--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "pmooney22" <kwacka2@...> wrote:
>
> The O/P requested advice on how to get a particular device working and, with respect to the O/P the comment that they were having difficuly in installing a driver suggested to me that they were new to GNU/Linux.
>
> The O/P did NOT ask (until another poster mentioned this) about configuring the kernel, and posts then moved to whether the driver in question would be in a newer kernel (the file linked is 5 years old, the original driver was a decade ago so a newer kernel is largely irrelevent)

That is nice but I was not replying to the original poster I was replying to you.

>
> I agree with much of what you say; it would be ideal if everybody utilised LFS and built their own drivers; but I'd suggest that comes after topics such as kernel configuration which, in turn, came after software compilation and driver installation, which might (in turn) would follow advice on installing a popular distribution (Mint, Ubuntu et al). I don't expect anybody to advise a user to start off on Gentoo, or even Arch Linux.

I started off with Slackware in the 90s and I survived.

>
> It may well be that the O/P has no interest in developing skills beyond those of a user, rather than an expert on GNU/Linux, and merely wants to use a particular device that they possess. That is their prerogative.

Then it is my prerogative to tell users like that I feel they are wasting their time.
>
> I agree there is nothing magic about compiling a kernel. However I would suggest that there are many linux users that have never compiled a kernel, in the same way there are possibly millions that have never used the 'power'-shell when running Windows, and new users should be encouraged rather than it be suggested that you 'have to' compile a kernel as a first step.

Why? We are talking about Linux aren't we? Either use it, or don't.

>
> Regards

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] What is bat com exe in Linux?

>
> *
> OK
>
> But when I
> comile with Xubuntu
> the file doit.pas to doit.out
> it only is able to run with a Debian Linux.
> Is this right?
>
It is a little complex, mostly the program will run on most versions of
linux.

BUT (There's always a but) your compiler will detect your computers cpu
type and compile for that it may produce very plain code which will run
on just about any machine but it might not. My development machine is a
64 bit/ 8 processor machine and I often target it, the code would not
run on a 32 bit machine or a single cpu core. if you have an amd chip
you might have problems with intel machines and vice versa


If you link to librarys you need to check that they are available on the
machine running your program. this is specially true of those librarys
that are 'dynamically' linked (.dll in windows, .so in linux)

mostly in the linux world programs are distributed either in source form
(in a tar ball file ending .tgz) which you unzip then run the old
configure / make / make install or as packages (.deb or .rpm) both of
which check for all the 'dependencies'



>
>

>
>
> "Gnu Compiler Collection"
> Is this a good idea to use it as beginner?
>


Yup, it can be quite simple to use 'gpc myprog.pas -omyprog' on the
command line. As you learn more, and your programs get more
sophisticated you get more interested in the compiler. Also you can
start using simple makefiles and the like. fpc is probably a better
pascal compiler specially when coupled with lazarus (the ide)

You can usually rely on any linux machine having gcc installed whereas
fpc is not as common.



Trev.



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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: grub and how to delete "Ubuntu";two Linuxdistribution,I want to delete one distribution;gparted?

 



Do Mär 28 19:19:49 2013
Good evening.
Thank You for help.

> > How can I check this?
> > Can I find in www
> > the difference between SATA abd PATA?

Yes. You can find out a better definition than I will give here
by searching the web. In short, the difference between Serial ATA (SATA) and
Parallel ATA (PATA) is how the computer communicates with the hard drive.
*
OK

PATA is older technology that is still found in many computers.
*
OK

Can I see this with lspci?

It has a
theoretical limit of 133 MB per second. Because the computer was
communicating
with the hard drive in parallel and because of the possibility of
interference
between the 80 wires used to connect PATA to a computer, a PATA cable can be
a maximum of 45 cm long. The need for additional speed without the
limitations
of parallel communication and possible interference drove the designers to
come up with a new standard which turned out to be SATA. Note: of the 80
wires in PATA, only 40 are actually used. The other unused wires help with
the interference issue.
*
Pata
and sata
are description of the hardware?

A SATA device uses only 7 wires for the interface cable. Just getting rid
of all of those wires helps tremendously. SATA comes in three speeds:
SATA 1 is limited to 150 MB/s
SATA 2 is limited to 300 MB/s
SATA 3 is limited to 600 MB/s

Cables are limited to 1 meter. With SATA came an additional standard called
eSATA which is meant to convey "external SATA." These devices are used for
things such as external hard drives where you don't want to pay a
performance
penalty. Because these are designed to run to external devices, the
specification
for the cables is much stricter. Better wire sheilding is required. The
limit
for eSATA cables is 2 meters.
*
OK

Most computers manufactured in the last 5 years offer 2 to 4 or more SATA
connectors. Many offer at most 1 PATA connector and many no longer offer
PATA connectors at all.
<snip>
*

Where is it important to know
this pc is sata that pc is pata?

> I take the line where "Mounted on" is /. That partition or
> "Filesystem" as in the listing above is /dev/sda3. In your
> case, it is /dev/sda6. Removing the trailing number that
> means the disk where you want to install grub is /dev/sda.
> *
>
> Sorry
> I cannot understand.
> So I did not deleted the lines above.
>

OK, let me try again. You can think of the "/" partition as
the operating system.
*
OK

This is an oversimplification but will
work for now.
*
OK

When you select Xubuntu from the grub menu,
The Xubuntu operating system is loaded with /
*

Like a root?

also known as
the root file system being mapped to /dev/sda6 in your case.
All that means is the first SD drive (a) and the 6th
partition (6) on that drive.
*
OK

<snip>
>
> /dev/hd* is for IDE or ATA devices.*
> This I dont understand.

It is just a standard developed by the creators of Linux.
They refered to PATA (also known as IDE and ATA and ATAPI)
drives using the two characters "hd" I think meaning
harddisk device. So the first PATA hard drive would be
/dev/hda. The partition number is then added after the
drive. The third partition on the first PATA drive would
be /dev/hda3.

<snip>
> For example, on your system, Xubuntu's / is on partition
> 6 listed as /dev/sda6.
> *
> Is that the operatin system?
>

Yes, but as I mentioned above when you get to know a bit
more about Linux you will realize this is an over simplification.
*
OK

> <snip>
> I started out keeping everything Linux
> under a single partition. When I found out from suggestions
> on this list that keeping a separate data partition would
> be a good idea, I incorporated that in my next install.
> My suggestion would be that you might want to do this
> the next time there is a Xubuntu upgrade.
> *
> What is the relationship between update and and change the partition?
>

Let me define three phrases here:
Update: Usually a change for bug fixes or security to the OS or software
installed under your Xubuntu operating system.
*
OK

Upgrade: When a new version of Xubuntu comes out. I assume you are
running Xubuntu 12.04 or 12.10.*
I am using now 13.04
and I do not know why
I updated and there there is 13.04.

It is my mistake.

When 13.04 comes out in April this year
you will have the opportunity but NOT the requirement to upgrade to the
new version.
*
Question.
I was reading I have to upgrade.

Why.

There is an upgrade
from Pangolin to Quantal

but there is no update
from Hardy to Pangolin
because it is said
only one step is possible.

Is this wrong?

Xubuntu may have the option of upgrading in place which
means the OS will present you with the ability to get the new version
without a complete reinstallation.
*
Is upgrade an new install?

Change the partition. Any time you take a section of a hard drive and
modify that section by shrinking its size, expanding its size, or
installing a completely different OS or OS version on it.
*
OK

Thank You.

Regards
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] What is bat com exe in Linux?

Do Mär 28 19:19:49 2013
Good evening.
Thank You for help.


>
> An exe is an executable program, under linux any file can be marked as
> executable (including shell scripts), every file has a set of
> 'permissions' attached to it, you can see them by typing ls -al at a
> command prompt, one is called the execute permission or 'x'. you can set
> it by typing chmod +x filename. this will make any file executable.
> *
> This I did not understand.
>
> Example:
> I am creating in DOS a programe in Pascal.
> I call it doit.pas.
> Then I compile it and there is a file calles doit.exe.
>
> Now I call doit.exe and it is running.
>


Hi,

Pretty much the same process under linux, you write the pascal in a file
called doit.pas and then compile it.
*
OK


Most compilers on linux (gcc, fpc,
gpc) support an option to name the output file.
*
OK

This is because often
unixy programs push there output to the screen (stdout) so that it can
be used with all the standard cli tools.
*
OK

The compilers often output the
compiled program into a file called a.out*
YES
this I swa:

out

which is executable (you just
type ./a.out and it runs.
*
OK

So if you add an option to the compiler line
"-odoit" it will output the compiled file as doit which you run by
typing "./doit"
eg.
fpc doit.pas -odoit
./doit

*
OK

But when I
comile with Xubuntu
the file doit.pas to doit.out
it only is able to run with a Debian Linux.
Is this right?



As linux does not really care about file extensions
*
Yes

there is no reason
not to add a '.exe' or whatever to the end but it is not necessary.
eg.
fpc doit.pas -odoit.exe
./doit.exe
*
OK


The only thing to go wrong is a file not being executable, you get a
permission denied message and need to type:-
chmod +x doit (doit.exe)

Hope this clarifies things a little
*
Yes.

Thank You.

It is like gif

I can name pic.gif pic.gif and pic
but it is more clear to name it pic.gif
for myself.


But Gimp can understand pic also.


"Gnu Compiler Collection"
Is this a good idea to use it as beginner?


Regards
Sophie





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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: grub and how to delete "Ubuntu";two Linuxdistribution,I want to delete one distribution;gparted?

 

Do Mär 28 19:19:49 2013
Good evening.
Thank You for help.
Hallo Sophie,

I am answering in English
so all users can understand.
Yes
I understand German.

The computer is using German language.

> Do Mär 21 13:34:19 2013
> Thank You for help
>
>
>
> $ mount | -column -t
>
> mount | -column -t
> Der Befehl »-column« wurde nicht gefunden, meinten Sie vielleicht:
> Befehl »column« aus dem Paket »bsdmainutils« (main)
> -column: Befehl nicht gefunden.
> ah@ah-ThinkCentre-M57p:~$
>
> Sorry
> there was a mistake
> Sorry the reaction is German.

Ich gehe jetzt mal davon aus, dass Du Deutsch sprichst. Mein
Debian-System ist auch auf Deutsch, es gibt schlimmeres.
*
OK

Gerade eben habe ich mal nachgesehen, ob ich auf meiner Maschine das
Paket 'badmainutils' installiert habe:

$ dpkg -l | grep [b]sdmainutils
ii bsdmainutils 9.0.3
i386 collection of more utilities
from FreeBSD

Yo, ist installiert. Die beiden ii am Anfang des Outputs bedeuten, dass
das Paket installiert. Diese Information gibt aptitude auch aus, wenn
ich nach einem Paket suche, apt-get tut dies hingegen nicht, dort
funktioniert aber trotzdem dpkg -l | grep PACKET, dies zeigt ja explizit
alle installierten Pakete an.
*
What does that mean?

Is

mount | -column -t

wrong?

Wieso ich den ersten Buchstaben in [eckigen Klammern] gesetzt habe? Dann
wird die Suche mit grep nach bsdmainutils nicht auch in den Ergebnissen
aufgeführt.

Es lohnt sich bestimmt das Paket bsdmainutils zu installieren. Die
Darstellungsoption column -t macht viel deutlich übersichtlicher, z.B.
cat /etc/fstab | column -t

What is the meaning of
bsdmainutils?

Vielleicht lassen meine Erläuterungen die eine oder andere eventuell
Unklarheit verschwinden.

Beste Grüße,

Pascal

Sorry
no.

Regards
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] NAS [OT] was "grub and how to delete Ubuntu

Do Mär 28 19:19:49 2013
Good evening.
Thank You for help.


Can somebody explain me
the word
server?
Server in this context refers to a computer whose primary use is to
"serve" data to other systems. Such as a Web Server, Email Server,
file server, etc., server may refer to an entire machine/operating
system or just a component of the system (such as an email server
installed and run from a primary OS.) I have no formal training in
Computers, so don't know if my terminology is consistent with anyone's
standard. The above is what I have seen in popular use.

Hi Sophie. No, it is not really important for you.
*
Thank You.
I try to understand all emails.
Thank You.
You might notice
I had changed the subject header to "[OT] meaning "off topic" of the
original thread.
*
Yes.
I probably should have changed the email headers
also to detach my question from yours better. Sorry.
*
No problem
Regards
Sophie




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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter (OT) build your own kernel

 

The O/P requested advice on how to get a particular device working and, with respect to the O/P the comment that they were having difficuly in installing a driver suggested to me that they were new to GNU/Linux.

The O/P did NOT ask (until another poster mentioned this) about configuring the kernel, and posts then moved to whether the driver in question would be in a newer kernel (the file linked is 5 years old, the original driver was a decade ago so a newer kernel is largely irrelevent)

I agree with much of what you say; it would be ideal if everybody utilised LFS and built their own drivers; but I'd suggest that comes after topics such as kernel configuration which, in turn, came after software compilation and driver installation, which might (in turn) would follow advice on installing a popular distribution (Mint, Ubuntu et al). I don't expect anybody to advise a user to start off on Gentoo, or even Arch Linux.

It may well be that the O/P has no interest in developing skills beyond those of a user, rather than an expert on GNU/Linux, and merely wants to use a particular device that they possess. That is their prerogative.

I agree there is nothing magic about compiling a kernel. However I would suggest that there are many linux users that have never compiled a kernel, in the same way there are possibly millions that have never used the 'power'-shell when running Windows, and new users should be encouraged rather than it be suggested that you 'have to' compile a kernel as a first step.

Regards

P.

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> You cannot recover from a miffed kernel configuration? Is it really that hard to keep a kernel that boots on a system while a new one is being configured and tested? Because if you do that then you always have the backup kernel to run. You'd be in no worse shape than when you started. Believe it or not some pretty clever people came up with this whole system, so that even idiots can manage to work with it.
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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter (OT) build your own kernel

 



--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, kwacka2@... wrote:
>
> I've downloaded the driver file you mention, & the INSTALL file reads:
>
> 1. "make " to compile the source.
> 2. ./mosinst to install the driver
> 3. ifconfig usbx xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to configure the device
>
> What difficulties are you having installing? How far into the installation are the errors (e.g. at 'make, or at './mosinst')?
>
> Kernels are usually compiled by the distributers for their distribution. Centos appear to be one of the most 'staid' in that their distro is based upon commercial RedHat (as is Fedora) but with all hint (taint?) of proprietary ownership removed. You can replace any kernel with a 'vanilla' kernel from www.kernel.org BUT as the name of this group is Linux newbies I won't recommend doing this on a computer that you'll need to use  without a new installation.
>
> If you REALLY want to mess about with the kernel take a look at http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild but, as they say, make sure you have got everything well backed up first.
>

You cannot recover from a miffed kernel configuration? Is it really that hard to keep a kernel that boots on a system while a new one is being configured and tested? Because if you do that then you always have the backup kernel to run. You'd be in no worse shape than when you started. Believe it or not some pretty clever people came up with this whole system, so that even idiots can manage to work with it.

I'm no rocket scientist but I can handle it. I'm fairly confident that anyone who can manage to participate in this group has the capability of building their own custom configured Linux kernel and successfully running it too. They may not get it 100% right the first time they try but if they just keep at it I'm certain they can manage it eventually.

As long as you keep your old kernel around you get as many tries as you need too.

That is the "secret" folks. Just don't overwrite your kernel that already boots up. Then you'll never be any worse off than you already are. If you're running a kernel you got with your distribution you're pretty bad off too! You can do a better job for yourself. That is what Linux is all about too, doing a better job for yourself.

Whatever you get from a distribution is only a nice start. Canned kernels aren't even that. I've seen a lot of them and they all suck. There is absolutely no way a kernel that comes with a distribution can be any good. Not when it has to boot on such a wide variety of hardware.

Learning how to configure, build, and install a Linux kernel is a basic essential skill that everyone who runs Linux should master for themselves. Either that or you have to reevaluate why you run Linux in the first place. Because the kernel *is* Linux! I mean if you're not going to build your own kernel then you might as well just run to an Apple store. They build their kernels specifically for their hardware. You will pay a premium for that with them though.

Use The Source Luke don't succumb to the darkside ...

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 03:54:19PM -0400, Hal wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 07:40:11PM -0000, Paul wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Donald" <tambeaud@...> wrote:
> > > I need help in installing the adapter.
> > > Thank you
> > > Donald Tambeau
> > > VE3HOL
>
> It looks like the kernel see's the adapter but is not autoloading the
> kernel driver..
>
> Maybe you could search for USB Ethernet Driver or something like that??

Have you tried 'modprobe usbnet'? That seems to be the name of a driver
for some distributions..

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter

 

I've downloaded the driver file you mention, & the INSTALL file reads:

1. "make " to compile the source.
2. ./mosinst to install the driver
3. ifconfig usbx xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to configure the device

What difficulties are you having installing? How far into the installation are the errors (e.g. at 'make, or at './mosinst')?

Kernels are usually compiled by the distributers for their distribution. Centos appear to be one of the most 'staid' in that their distro is based upon commercial RedHat (as is Fedora) but with all hint (taint?) of proprietary ownership removed. You can replace any kernel with a 'vanilla' kernel from www.kernel.org BUT as the name of this group is Linux newbies I won't recommend doing this on a computer that you'll need to use  without a new installation.

If you REALLY want to mess about with the kernel take a look at http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild but, as they say, make sure you have got everything well backed up first.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul &lt;pfrederick1@yahoo.com&gt;
To: LINUX_Newbies &lt;LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com&gt;
Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:23 pm
Subject: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: USB Ethernet Adapter

 

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Scott &lt;scottro@...&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 02:34:32PM -0700, Joan Leach wrote:
&gt; &gt; http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/install-tarballs/
&gt; &gt; I found this with this Google search string:Linux 7830.tar Centos/Redhat how to run
&gt;
&gt; Note that CentOS is relatively old in terms of packages and kernel drivers.
&gt; It might be worth trying it with something else, even a live CD.

It is hard to install a newer kernel into CentOS? I do that with every other Linux distribution I use. I'm only asking because I've never run CentOS and I'm wondering what makes it so different.







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