Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Fedora 12

I use Ubuntu 9.10 as my main distribution. I have 6 distributions plus
Windows currently install spread across three drives. Obviously I
multi-boot. I use a separate grub for each drive. It works well unless a
distribution crosses me up which happened with openSuSE 11.2 recently which
did not write grub where I asked it to. Fedora at least put grub where I
wanted and nicely allowed me to choose boot order which impressed me.

I have used Fedora in the past, but was never dedicated enough to stick with
its eccentricities. Not being a GNOME guy I used the KDE 64-bit version.
This was perhaps a mistake in hindsight as Flash is not working. It works in
64-bit Ubuntu, but Fedora it seems is a bit of a throw back where you have
to tinker to get it working. I don't mind that so much, but it seems
regressive to my way of thinking. I am just throwing that out there.

I tried the NVidia drivers. I need to work from outside X which again is
something that I have done, but I do not want to change boot modes to do it.
This again is something that we should not need to do in 2009. It is Nvidia
that asks this, but it is made necessary by Fedora not including
pre-compiled drivers. I do not need to do this for Ubuntu, MEPIS, Mandrake
or openSuSE and several other distros. And mine is a common card. I hate to
imagine if I had an Intel or ATI which were slow to provide drivers for the
kernel that shipped last spring. Some of those users are still out in the
cold.

So my verdict thus far is that Fedora is a) not as user friendly as it could
be and b) not for casual users. Both of these things are not news to me. I
had hoped they would move from backward thinking. By backward I mean circa
1999 when I started Linux. So much has happened since then. You need to jump
through hoops to get not only the bells and whistles but to get a basic
operational system that plays youtube.

Lest I seem too anti-Fedora I am not. There are many things that I like.
Previously I disliked packagekit. Now it is quite usable, but I still prefer
yum extender.

What I am looking forward to is using Fedora and learning to like RPM. That
will be something if I can manage it.

One of the distros that I installed trashed one of my partitions. I need to
look into some serious data recovery. It had no business using that drive at
all. It is a mystery to me which one did it, but it can't be Ubuntu because
I have not been using it. It has all of my multimedia files and and holiday
photos on it. The only one that used that drive was openSuSE which wrote to
the MBR of that drive, something that I did not ask it to do. Hmmm.

Roy


2009/11/18 J <dreadpiratejeff@gmail.com>

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:51, Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com<linuxcanuck%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > I should be able to get a proprietary driver. It is a common card that
> has
> > been around for awhile and works in all distros. It is just that I can't
> get
> > it to work properly in this one. Thanks for any help.
>
> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_190.42.html
> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_190.42.html
>
> Would one of those work?
>
> That's the latest available from nVidia officially... not sure they
> have have any beta builds available elsewhere...
>
> And apparently you CAN run that driver in F12, BUT then there's this:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533620
>
> and this:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F12_bugs#Problems_when_using_the_proprietary_NVIDIA_graphics_driver_.28especially_with_KDE.29
>
> "Due to a bad interaction between the proprietary NVIDIA driver and a
> fix in Fedora 12's X.org server package for an unrelated problem,
> current versions of the said driver have several problems in Fedora
> 12. In particular, they render KDE almost unusable, as discussed in
> the bug report cited above. Fedora does not provide or support these
> proprietary drivers and cannot fix this issue. However, users who wish
> to use the proprietary driver with Fedora 12 can find an unsupported
> alternative build of the X.org server packages in a comment on the bug
> report, which several users have reported to work around this issue."
>
> And more importantly, this:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xorg/3rdPartyVideoDrivers
>
> Now not to sound flippant, because I don't know the history there, but
> didn't any previous version of Fedora work for you? Of course, that
> question only applies if you are expecting to use F12/nVidia drivers
> to do professional work that pays your rent. If you are just
> exploring and experimenting, then disregard that question.
>
> If you ARE using this to do professional work and pay the rent, the
> question stands. There's a reason why corporate IT is notoriously
> slow to adopt new software. Again, not being flippant, just curious
> about why you'd want to run bleeding edge OSs for production work.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff
> --
>
> Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you
> answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html
>
>


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