On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 12:50, Paul <pfrederick1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hey Roy did you get dropped on your head as an infant or have you just been drinking too much run off from oil sands?
Dude, really? You start your debunking with a ridiculous ad hominem
attack that does nothing but make you look exactly like those newbie
hating zealots Roy claims exist? You made his argument for him, you
know. You aren't helping your cause at all starting out this way.
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> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
>>
>> Debian is not for everybody. It is not newbie friendly and the community
>> does not embrace change nor new users. They want to keep things the way they
>> always were and even turn back the clock. They do not like it that Ubuntu
>> has taken their work and made it accessible to others. That does not make
>> Debian a great distribution. It just means that Debian is what it is and it
>> isn't going to change anytime soon because of its ideology and its user
>> base. If someone insists on using Debian then they should be encouraged to
>> do so, but it isn't what I would recommend because I know the community well
>> and know that they are on a crusade and to them all outsiders are regarded
>> as infidels. If you can accept the "our way or the highway" approach then
>> you will probably fit right in.
>>
>> When someone writes that they are having problems configuring Debian then I
>> smile inwardly because it is not made to work out of the box, nor to work
>> like Ubuntu with advanced features. It is for advanced users who like a
>> basic setup. It will likely never work as well because of their insistence
>> that anything proprietary is bad and if you ask for help doing something
>> that they regard as verboten the you will get a lecture at best and a tongue
>> lashing at worst.
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
>> Location: Canada
>>
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> Lies and distortions in Roy's post include:
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> "Debian is not for everybody."
> Does Debian check IPs and say, no you cannot download it we don't like you?
>
> "It is not newbie friendly"
> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Lenny/GettingStarted
> I'm sure some sick and twisted Debian user put that page up as a joke right? Well Roy is sure!
>
>
> "the community does not embrace change nor new users."
> http://www.osnews.com/story/24378/Debian_6_0_Released
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> "They want to keep things the way they always were and even turn back the clock."
> See above.
>
> They do not like it that Ubuntu has taken their work and made it accessible to others.
> http://ianmurdock.com/debian/ubuntu-vs-debian-reprise/
>
> "Debian is what it is and it isn't going to change anytime soon"
> News flash Roy it just did!
> http://www.osnews.com/story/24378/Debian_6_0_Released
>
> I (Roy) know the community well
> No you don't. You think you know. My post proves over and over just how little you actually do know. I think that you are some sort of a Microsoft employed paid shill from the FUD astroturfing you did. Except it was so inept.
>
>
> "they are on a crusade and to them all outsiders are regarded as infidels."
> This makes so little sense I could find no web link to debunk it. It sounds like xenophobic inferiority complex nonsense to me though. Must be a common Canadian condition.
>
> "it is not made to work out of the box"
> Funny it works here.
> root@spot:~# cat /etc/debian_version
> 5.0.8
>
> My smoking new Squeeze box is upstairs.
> http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=anon-22625-10502-30022
>
> That's right, we bad!
>
> "work like Ubuntu with advanced features."
> http://www.debianadmin.com/
>
> "It is for advanced users who like a basic setup."
> I do not see how any user would not like the option of choosing a basic initial configuration. None of my setups remain basic for very long I can assure you. Do any of your computers CNC control? One of my Debian systems does!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbeyNNBZ68
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>
> "It will likely never work as well"
> A likely story if I ever heard one. Systems only work as well as they are administered.
>
> "anything proprietary is bad"
> Such a crude statement as to be meaningless. I will say this, I have installed commercial proprietary software in Debian using Debian's package management tools quite nicely thank you very much. If Roy had any skill what so ever he could too, even in KUbuntu!
>
> I designed all of the electronics for my CNC experiment in Debian using Eagle.
>
> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ <-- Not Free!
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> http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1819/ppbb4sch.png
> http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/5841/tb6560ahqa.png
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> And using my Nvidia binary kernel driver too. Which I installed using Debian's synaptic package manager. But Roy says it isn't so!
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-freedrivers
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> "if you ask for help doing something that they regard as verboten the (sic) you will get a lecture at best and a tongue lashing at worst."
> It is all in how you ask.
>
> Now Roy I'd think that even a canuk would have the sense enough not to chop down the trunk of a tree when they were standing out on one of it's limbs but I guess I was wrong there.
>
> Insist on the truth, insist on the best, insist on Debian! And don't listen to people from Canada named Roy ... At least when it comes to Debian.
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