My main issue in my life right now is that I have recently returned to college after a job loss as an older student; consequently, I don't have the money, time, and mental energy necessary to start the tweaking process to make Linux do what I need it to do at this time all over again. In two or three years when I am graduated and (hopefully in a job), I would be willing to do the necessary tweaking and will have fun doing it. Right now, I need my computer to work. As it stands, I may have to suck in my gut and buy a Windows system as my primary OS and go back to doing Linux as just a hobby, whether I stay with Ubuntu or go with another distro.
I do appreciate the advice, however.
The love of God begins in fear and the fear of God ends in love; and that love can never end, for God is love.~John Donne
--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Ubuntu 11.04 Dislike
To: LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 6:56 AM
I have had lots of trouble with GNOME 3 and none with Unity, BTW. It seems
my ATI card does not work well with GNOME Shell and works fine with Unity.
The big difference between them is not so much the interface, but
performance. Unity is better by a bit. GNOME 3 uses Mutter and Unity uses
Compiz as the window manager/ compositor. Mutter was dumped by Canonical
because it was slow. It is not just my anecdotal experience that this is
based on. Phoronix tested Unity with Compiz, GNOME 3 with Mutter, GNOME 2
with Metacity and KDE with Kwin. KDE came out on top, GNOME 2 next, Unity
third and GNOME 3 last by a whisker. That may surprise a lot of people. KDE
is slower loading, but works faster once it is loaded. The results will vary
on slower equipment perhaps, but these machines should likely be running a
lighter DE anyway like LXDE or XFCE. The last two KDE releases have been
really slick and fast.
I do not like the interface on either Unity or GNOME 3 and I have been using
them since last fall and seen them mature. I have a desktop computer with a
large monitor, drag and drop and multi-task like crazy. My workflow is
seriously impeded by both. The biggest problems are the global menu in Unity
when running in a window. It is alonger way to travel when using the GIMP
for example. Yes, I know that you can right click on the window to get a
GIMP menu, but it is not the way I work. I have memorised the GIMP so that I
can do most things without thinking. Not being able to run anything but full
screen in GNOME Shell (no drag and drop). Not being able to control the
system tray or notification area (many apps such as radiotray cannot run
from it). I could go on. I have tried to change, but it is just more work
and besides if you are using another interface such as Windows or Mint then
you need to switch your brain each time you change computers or OS. Some
people may like the interface which is why I like Unity in concept. It just
is not for me and likely will never be. KDE does everything that i want and
more, so there is no need for me to feel the Unity pain.
I do not want this to be seen as anti-Unity or GNOME 3. Each person needs to
try it and decide for themselves much the same way that I did. We all have
different needs, hardware and backgrounds which is why Linux is perfect for
most users. There is lots of choice. You do not have to take the default
setup and can make it your own. The problem as I see it is that people are
trying Unity, not liking it and dumping Ubuntu. That is not necessary. Now
you can still use GNOME 2.x and next fall Canonical has said that 11.10 will
work alongside GNOME Shell, but GNOME 2.x will be out of the repos, but
somebody is bound to make a PPA available for those who do not like change.
My bet is that GNOME 3 and Unity will mature and offer more features and
keep enough people interested in the default offering for distros that use
them. For the rest of us we can find new ways to be innovative.
Roy
Using Kubuntu 11.04, 64-bit
Location: Canada
On 21 June 2011 07:06, J <dreadpiratejeff@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 19:00, Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It is tough for dual booters because it is so unlike Windows. Since there
> > are so many Windows and Linux dual booters some of the changes like the
> ones
> > you mention are going to be hard to adjust to and many will think that it
> is
> > not worth the timer and effort. I like the idea of Unity, but it should
> not
> > have been the default interface for 11.04, IMO. Users need more time than
> > Canonical is giving them to adjust. Shuttleworth has Mac envy and
> probably
> > does not feel the angst of Linux users from Windows backgrounds. I don't
> > know how much he is driving Unity, but from his defense of it, I would
> say
> > that he has much say.
>
> Depending on how much of the story you want to believe, WIndows came
> about because Bill Gates had Mac Envy... As for why now, one good
> reason I've heard put forth is simply the best way to test something
> is to release it. No one finds bugs and usability like regular users.
> That being said, making it default in Natty means that we had the
> entire Natty cycle to work on it, and all of the Oneiric cycle to
> tweak and clean it up, and all of the P cycle to make sure it's stable
> for 12.04 which is an LTS release.
>
>
> > That means that Ubuntu users are going to have some patience and take
> steps
> > to avoid problems. One thing they could do would be to install the
> classic
> > GNOME desktop in 11.04 and another would be to stick with previous
> versions
>
> It's already there. The old GNOME desktop is an option at login.
> When you select your username from the GDM menu, notice at the bottom
> that there's a place to select Ubuntu or Classic Ubuntu (the classic
> GNOME interface).
>
>
> > till at least 11.10 and possible 12.04 the next LTS. This is better than
> > switching to Mint for example because we don't know where it is headed,
> just
> > what they are doing in the short term which is equivalent to installing
> the
> > classic desktop. It seems a bit hasty to be jumping distros because Unity
> > may turn out to be very good. The other thing to remember is that you are
> > not alone. There are many Ubuntu users in the same boat and if you give
> > feedback to Canonical then you can make an impact. Also other distros
> using
> > GNOME are also facing similar challenges because GNOME 3 is as radical a
> > change and a performance dog to many as well.
>
> GNOME 3 != Unity. Gnome Shell, however, is somewhat similar to Unity
> in look and feel and probably what you're thinking of here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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