of government and sees the world in the same way I have outlined. He thinks
that 9/11 was a secret government operation to bring about a police state. I
am not saying I agree. Just pointing it out that this discussion is relevant
to GNU and legalities of taking data and computers across borders.
Roy
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> Mark,
>
> My opinion is "unbiased" because like many users I am conflicted. I support
> FSF and its efforts to promote free software without necessarily obeying
> their every suggestion. I respect RMS but think that his way is very
> controlling and limiting, the opposite of what he sees it as. I also support
> the Linux Foundation and the efforts of Linus Torvalds to improve the kernel
> and make Linux better. I don't think it is all or nothing, winner take all.
> In fact I am a member of each body.
>
> As for the Mono conflict, I have made up my mind which is why I now use KDE
> because it does not involve Mono at all. My son is a Linux advocate and
> thinks that Miguel de Icaza is brilliant and a visionary. Time will tell. In
> the mean time, I watch and wait. I follow these things closer than most.
> Like many Linux users I am wary of Microsoft and any efforts to cuddle up. I
> have watched them use that same technique to kill too many innovations and
> reduce competition to take it lightly. Miguel de Icaza, Novell and Mono are
> controversial at best and dangerous at worst.
>
> Arturo,
>
> When you install restricted packages then you do so in the knowledge that
> they are just that. You therefore assume all responsibility for their use.
> If a copyright or license exists then you must bear that in mind and follow
> the laws of your country. It is not likely that you would be prosecuted
> under the laws of another country.
>
> However, bear in mind that taking a laptop into the US with its security
> worries entails risk. They have the legal right to seize your laptop without
> reason and keep it for thirty days. During this time they can and probably
> will clone your drive. It is all about collecting data which is going into
> databases in facilities being constructed by the NSA in the deserts in Utah.
> They want to know everything about everybody. They aren't building these
> super centres to sit idle. Everything you write is being collected and
> analyzed. Even this conversation. If we think otherwise we are deluding
> ourselves. Big Brother is watching. I think that the UK is headed for the
> same thing. I just read a BBC article that every email, phone call, etc. is
> being recorded. I don't want to single out the US. It is the way the world
> is going.
>
> In this I disagree with Mark. They don't need a reason. The law gives them
> carte blanche. They do it as a matter of policy in the name of security.
> They just decide to randomly grab X number of laptops because that is the
> way bureaucrats think. That's what happens when bean counters and spooks
> have all the authority they need.
>
> What they choose to do with this information is anybody's guess. They are
> not likely to share this info with the FBI which enforces the law, so you
> are probably safe. But then again you lose your laptop for weeks. Is it
> worth it? Many people use Google Docs or services that upload files to the
> net such as Ubuntu One or Dropbox to protect themselves when they travel
> abroad.
>
> The things that you don't think of when you leave your own country usually
> come back to haunt you. Not long ago I could cross the border without
> showing ID and would be greeted with a smile and a polite friendly border
> guard. Now I am viewed with suspicion and seen as a threat. I have not
> changed. The same can be said for Americans travelling to my country. The
> innocence is lost and the world is no longer seen as a safe place. But the
> bad guys may not be who you think. ;)
>
> Roy
>
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> 2009/11/12 Darksyde <m_alexander61@yahoo.com>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com <LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Arturo Ovalle <dr_ovalle@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > About something than someone commented in this post. I live in Mexico,
>> so I can install restricted drivers and that is not illegal in my county.
>> How do you people in USA manage to make your computers work properly
>> (wireless, graphic cards), without restricted drivers? I'd like to know
>> that. And if I travel to USA with my laptop using restricted drivers, is
>> that illegal too?
>> >
>> >
>> > Encuentra las mejores recetas en Yahoo! Cocina.
>> > http://mx.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/
>> >
>> Good question, Arturo! Unless I'm mistaken, the drivers for wifi and such
>> are not proprietary unless the company chooses to make it so. Whenever I
>> download a distro to try out I always get the "main" edition which includes
>> drivers and codecs not always available in other editions.
>> As far as your laptop being illegal when you come to the U.S., I seriously
>> doubt it as long as you are using it for personal use. Hell, I doubt that
>> your system would ever be noticed to be non-complaint with U.S. law, nor
>> would you face any penalty even if it was.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>
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