Monday, February 28, 2011

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Mint Debian, hijack of "'Re: Debian Lenny..."

 

Hi David

My apologies for the delay in replying. I've been visiting my daughter in
Palmerston North, some 500 km away and have had no internet access.

"dbneeley" <dbneeley@gmail.com> wrote:

> Zed,
>
> I am very curious...
>
> After saying the "Ubu base has been wonderful" and "gotta love those Ubu
> repositories!"--you moved to LMDE and hope it is the new standard for
> Mint?

The above was written by <m_alexander61@yahoo.com> in reply to a message
from Roy <linuxcanuck@...

> In what way, please, is it superior to the mainline Mint based on Ubuntu?

If I may bring forward what I did actually say previously:

> > I've used LinuxMint since v3.0 Cassandra but when Clem issued LMDE, with
> > the warning that it was experimental, I decided to try it. There have
> > been a few niggles but even I, lacking a technical bent, have managed to
> > resolve them without too much hassle. Currently I am running LMDE 64bit
> > on my desktop and LMDE 32bit on a Thinkpad T60. Both work well and I'm
> > hoping that Clem and the development team decide to use Debian as the
> > base for the main Mint edition.

Why do I hope that Clem and the developers change over to a pure Debian
base? Mainly because I like Debian with the Mint tools and the concept of a
rolling release.

I must stress that I am not a programmer; have only average computer skills;

but so far have found it relatively painless to solve the very few problems
I've had with LMDE.

Whether I will feel the same way in, say 5 years time, when I'll be 85, I do
not know :-)

[snip]

> Personally, I am thinking about going to a distro which has a continuous
> upgrade model rather than the wholesale replacement every six months
> approach. However, to do so I want to be sure I am not giving away other
> very strong advantages that come with the Ubuntu constellation of
> distros--such as so many apps being written to be compatible out of the
> box without much fiddling to give just one example.

I have a fairly old machine: ASUS motherboard, AMD Athlon 64 Processor
3500+, 512MB Cache, 2BG RAM, and have had no compatability issues.
Everything has just "worked out of the box".

> I am also considering constructing some sort of installer script that will
> re-install the various utilities and programs I have come to use commonly
> so doing a complete version upgrade can be done in a somewhat more
> foolproof method than trying to do it piece-meal.

Way beyond my abilities :-(

[snip]

Again, my apologies for the long delay before replying.

Zed
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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: A Linux network?

 

Any Linux box can be used as a server--the UNIX model, after all, was designed from the ground up to be multi-user and multi-tasking and networking is extremely flexible.

The networking scheme used in Windows was, I think, originally patterned after specific network operating systems such as Novell Netware--which always used dedicated servers. Obviously, you can if you wish have machines dedicated as servers in a UNIX or Linux environment, but that is usually simply composed of machines with more storage available, with its processor and memory being able to be totally directed to storage and retrieval of files and the access to them. Usually, with such a server setup, the machine would not be running a GUI simply to have more performance for doing its tasks. However, in a small network it is common for a very fast workstation to also serve as a server--sometimes with "smart terminals" attached such as with the Linux Terminal Server Project.

The latter has the advantage of consolidating file services, making administration somewhat easier--since files are housed on one machine, for example, a backup will get everything at one time with no concerns about what may be on various individual machines that could be lost if the machine failed.

In some cases, rather than purchasing dedicated smart terminal machines, people may use older machines with limited storage themselves, keeping most of their actual files on a machine which is acting as a server for them.

Should you run into a discussion of the xserver, by the way, note that this uses terms that are reversed from the usual--the X "server" is what creates the GUI display, while the X "client" is the machien containing the files. The X protocol was created specifically so that the client and server can easily be on separate machines--this is exactly what happens with a smart terminal--but in that case the file server is the X client, and an attached terminal is both a file services client and an X server. A bit confusing until you know the reasons behind it.

Thus, to respond to your original question--a home or small business network does not need a "domain controller" unless it has networked Windows boxes. In that case, a Linux box with SAMBA installed can serve as either a domain controller or a primary domain controller for the Windows boxes there...thus avoiding the relatively large cost of a Windows Server license.

David

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "novicegeek" <acss82@...> wrote:
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> We all know that in a Windows network, we have a domain controller that acts as a main server along with other workstation computers. They are all connected to a switch.
>
> How about a Linux or Unix network? How different is its structure from the Windows network? What exactly is contained inside a Linux/ Unix network?
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[LINUX_Newbies] A Linux network?

 

We all know that in a Windows network, we have a domain controller that acts as a main server along with other workstation computers. They are all connected to a switch.

How about a Linux or Unix network? How different is its structure from the Windows network? What exactly is contained inside a Linux/ Unix network?

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[LINUX_Newbies] My computer is being hacked

 


I have windows computer and it is being hacked.Some one install new firmware from Firmware Version: Talisman/Basic V1.2.9a.

My router is linksys and SSID got changed to sveasoft.I had WPA set up and MAC filtering .

So do you think it is most likely I gone to bad web site or some one hacked my router?

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: New to group

 

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Shellie <mbuter30@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> I did get the program to unzip in windows but it was supposed to be games
> for linux so maybe where I got the games from was mistaken. Not sure but
> will still continue to attempt unziping it.

Some general notes on Linux games: In Ubuntu (one of the distros you
mentioned you were testing), you can go to Applications ->Software
center -> type "games" into the search box to browse. You can also
have a look at getdeb.net, which has a number of aptitude-packaged
games available for Ubuntu. <--those are all installable with one
click. I'm not as familiar with openSuse, so I won't comment on that.

Of course, there is also the option to install windows games using
Wine (which is a compatibility layer to run a number of Windows
programs under Linux) but results will vary depending on the game you
have chosen. It is also possible to download games from developers
site or elsewhere on the web. These may come in a compressed format
and need to be compiled from the command line. Though I can't imagine
there would be any games for linux archived in the 7z format, unless
it is a collection of flash games or something else downloaded from
bittorrent. But I am certainly no expert on that. Not an expert on
much, for that mater. :)

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: New to group

 

Wow there have been a lot of replies. I just got back from class a little
bit ago and just saw all the posts. This class is for A+ but it got me
interested in Linux. I plan to take COMPTIA Linux + after Network +. From
what I have used in Ubuntu I do like it a lot. Still haven't explored it
much yet. I have been studying for my second exam for the certification and
dealing with an injury. I dropped a 15 - 20 pound log on my foot and now
dealing with taking pain meds for it and trying to study. lol

I did get the program to unzip in windows but it was supposed to be games
for linux so maybe where I got the games from was mistaken. Not sure but
will still continue to attempt unziping it. Now I am dealing with some
issues on my desktop but that might be a graphics card going.

Shellie

----- Original Message -----

> No problem. I've done that myself! :)
>
> Roy
>
> Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
> Location: Canada

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: New to group

No problem. I've done that myself! :)

Roy

Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
Location: Canada


On 28 February 2011 08:49, Paul <pfrederick1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
> >
> > You mistook what I said. I don't mind being wrong, but first check to
> make
> > sure what I said.
> >
> > The comment said most *Linux* users and not Debian users use aptitude. My
> > point was not specific to Debian itself, but to distros that use the
> Debian
> > package management system of which Debian is not the largest by far. I
> like
> > aptitude, but the fact remains that it does not come pre-installed on
> Ubuntu
> > and Mint and many other large Debian based distros and Debian based
> distros
> > themselves are less than half of all distributions, most of which are RPM
> > based. So I was accurate that most *Linux* users do not use aptitude at
> all.
> > I would add that most users of apt do not use aptitude either. Over half
> of
> > those would use a GUI frontend and many of the commandline folks will use
> > apt-get or sometimes even apt-fast or dpkg. That is not a slight against
> > aptitude, but just reality. I know many people who personally who prefer
> > aptitude, but that does not change the situation. I know far more who use
> > the GUI, including most here.
> >
> > This is off topic anyway. The original person wanted help on unzipping
> and I
> > am not sure why aptitude was even brought into it.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> > Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
> > Location: Canada
> >
>
> I'm sorry Roy in the future I'll try to be less obtuse. But really I
> thought this thread was about installing software in Linux!
>
>
>


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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: New to group

 

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 08:49, Paul <pfrederick1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
>>
>> You mistook what I said. I don't mind being wrong, but first check to make
>> sure what I said.
<SNIP>
> I'm sorry Roy in the future I'll try to be less obtuse. But really I thought this thread was about installing software in Linux!

No, this rambling topic has covered a lot of non-related things. You
have, however, remained true to form by wading in at the first mention
of Debian to gleefully attack Roy while waving the "Debian
Superiority" flag in everyone's face in yet another attempt to tell
everyone how inferior they are if they don't run Debian
GNU/PTA/OMG/BBQ Linux (can't forget the Acronyms, they're important)
and how it's the most bestest distribution in the whole wide world.
It's formulaic and really pointless and rude and waving it away with a
"Oh hahah my bad" just isn't going to cut it.

If you want to hang out and fellate other Debian zealots, they have
their own forums. This is not Debain_Linux, it is not Debian_Newbies,
it is LINUX_Newbies and last time I checked is distro agnostic. I
seem to recall there being several hundred distributions overall.
Here's a very abridged list of distributions for you to explore, and
believe it or not, not all of them are Debian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions

Now, to get back on topic...

http://www.7-zip.org/download.html <--has a lot of pre-compiled
binaries for MANY distributions, not just Debian. They even have one
for Amiga...

There's even a blog about it:

http://www.techrecipes.net/operatingsystem/linux/extract-7z-file?

that details how to install 7zip and use it with Nautilus... The
problem is that you're basically then unzipping a package and either
running it from where you extracted the package, or running some sort
of install script. This does not mesh with the usual package
management systems (deb or rpm) so their associated databases will
have no information at all about the games you're trying to install...
thus, removing them becomes a bit of a nightmare unless you're running
them out of one directory.

As a learning experiment, have you considered contacting the games'
owners and asking why they don't release in standard Linux formats
like RPM or Deb? Or even Tarball, which is a far older and more
common package format (fairly similar to RAR files in Windows)

Linuxes also usually have a built in unzip program, you could try that
from a command line and see if it supports extracting 7zip files as
well. It may not, but it's worth a shot at least...

Cheers

Jeff

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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: New to group

 



--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
>
> You mistook what I said. I don't mind being wrong, but first check to make
> sure what I said.
>
> The comment said most *Linux* users and not Debian users use aptitude. My
> point was not specific to Debian itself, but to distros that use the Debian
> package management system of which Debian is not the largest by far. I like
> aptitude, but the fact remains that it does not come pre-installed on Ubuntu
> and Mint and many other large Debian based distros and Debian based distros
> themselves are less than half of all distributions, most of which are RPM
> based. So I was accurate that most *Linux* users do not use aptitude at all.
> I would add that most users of apt do not use aptitude either. Over half of
> those would use a GUI frontend and many of the commandline folks will use
> apt-get or sometimes even apt-fast or dpkg. That is not a slight against
> aptitude, but just reality. I know many people who personally who prefer
> aptitude, but that does not change the situation. I know far more who use
> the GUI, including most here.
>
> This is off topic anyway. The original person wanted help on unzipping and I
> am not sure why aptitude was even brought into it.
>
> Roy
>
> Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
> Location: Canada
>

I'm sorry Roy in the future I'll try to be less obtuse. But really I thought this thread was about installing software in Linux!

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: New to group

You mistook what I said. I don't mind being wrong, but first check to make
sure what I said.

The comment said most *Linux* users and not Debian users use aptitude. My
point was not specific to Debian itself, but to distros that use the Debian
package management system of which Debian is not the largest by far. I like
aptitude, but the fact remains that it does not come pre-installed on Ubuntu
and Mint and many other large Debian based distros and Debian based distros
themselves are less than half of all distributions, most of which are RPM
based. So I was accurate that most *Linux* users do not use aptitude at all.
I would add that most users of apt do not use aptitude either. Over half of
those would use a GUI frontend and many of the commandline folks will use
apt-get or sometimes even apt-fast or dpkg. That is not a slight against
aptitude, but just reality. I know many people who personally who prefer
aptitude, but that does not change the situation. I know far more who use
the GUI, including most here.

This is off topic anyway. The original person wanted help on unzipping and I
am not sure why aptitude was even brought into it.

Roy

Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
Location: Canada


On 28 February 2011 01:35, Paul <pfrederick1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
> >
> > Most Debian distro users do not use aptitude, but apt-get as an apt
> > frontend. Many Debian distributions do not even come with aptitude
>
> >
> > Roy
> >
> > Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
> > Location: Canada
>
> A swing and a miss! STREE-IKE!
>
> There are only 1 Debian distribution.
>
> From:
> http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-uptodate.en.html
>
> "aptitude is the recommended package manager for Debian GNU/Linux systems."
>
> Now if they officially recommend it why wouldn't they include it? I've
> never had to manually install it, and have it on all of my Debian GNU/Linux
> systems. Sure sounds like a base default package to me.
>
> Not every vanity distro floating around out there using deb as their
> package management system is Debian.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AoOa-Fz2kw
>
> Conner MacLeod obviously runs the real deal, Debian!
>
>
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Sunday, February 27, 2011

[LINUX_Newbies] Re: New to group

 



--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
>
> Most Debian distro users do not use aptitude, but apt-get as an apt
> frontend. Many Debian distributions do not even come with aptitude

>
> Roy
>
> Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
> Location: Canada

A swing and a miss! STREE-IKE!

There are only 1 Debian distribution.

From:
http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-uptodate.en.html

"aptitude is the recommended package manager for Debian GNU/Linux systems."

Now if they officially recommend it why wouldn't they include it? I've never had to manually install it, and have it on all of my Debian GNU/Linux systems. Sure sounds like a base default package to me.

Not every vanity distro floating around out there using deb as their package management system is Debian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AoOa-Fz2kw

Conner MacLeod obviously runs the real deal, Debian!

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] New to group

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Shellie <mbuter30@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Right now I am using VMplayer 3 and VMware 7. So far I like 7 better.
> Haven't tried Server or Sphere yet. I downloaded some games for Linux and
> have been trying to use them but they are in 7z files. I can unzip them in
> windows but havne't tried to drag them into Linux yet

As Roy mentioned, there are some options for unzipping in files in
Linux. But I'm curious about what games you are trying for and with
what distribution, as there are a lot of games available (often at
least) directly from the distribution's repositories, that can be
installed w/o the hassle of zipped files, which will probably (I'm
guessing) have to be compiled..

But then, the fact that 7z files are generally only a windows
format... leaves me a bit confused. Best of luck with that in any
case.

>. I am using Windows 7
> on my Laptop and the VMware 7 is on that one. I am able to drag stuff from
> my desktop into the OS that is running on the VMware and it works well. Was
> trying to unzip the files in Linux but I had so many problems.

What sort of problems, specifically? Might be a different archive
manager you need installed, though I am only aware of one that unpacks
7z files from the command line.

> install on my XP tower and see what I can do on that one.
>
> Shellie

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy" <linuxcanuck@gmail.com>
> To: <LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [LINUX_Newbies] New to group
>
> > Linux is the most computing fun that you can have for free. There are well
> > over 400 distributions to try and many of those have several versions out
> > at
> > once. VMs are a nice way to try them. I have not used VMware in some time
> > because I have got into using VirtualBox. What do you think of VMWare? Are
> > you using VMServer or Sphere?
> >
> > Roy
> >
> > Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
> > Location: Canada
> >
> >
> > On 26 February 2011 23:33, Shellie <mbuter30@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you. I am going to reinstall again because I didn't do something
> >> right
> >> with Suse in VMware. Might try some of the other flavours also not sure
> >> yet.
> >>
> >> Shellie
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Roy" <linuxcanuck@gmail.com>
> >> To: <LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 6:18 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [LINUX_Newbies] New to group
> >>
> >> > Welcome and enjoy both! Give us a shout if we can help.
> >> >
> >> > Roy
> >> >
> >> > Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
> >> > Location: Canada
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 26 February 2011 14:52, Shellie <mbuter30@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi I am new to the group and also new to Linux. I am trying out Ubuntu
> >> >> and
> >> >> Open Suse in VMware. So far it is pretty cool still getting used to
> >> >> it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Shellie
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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: New to group

 

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 02:40:50AM -0000, Paul wrote:
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
> >
> > Most Linux users install P7Zip or use the right click menu of the file
> > manager to Extract Here.
> >
> > Roy
>
> I thought most Linux users typed aptitude install ...

Heh, well are you sure that most Linux users are on Debian based
systems? (Although I suspect, with Ubuntu's popularity, that they are.)

As Roy said in his follow up email, these days, the vast majority of
them have graphic tools for this, which I imagine are easier for the
newcomer to Linux to use. I dunno, don't think I've ever used them.
I have heard many complaints about Fedora's packagekit, (and have my
own--the developer feels that it was fine to allow any user to update
packages without authentication.) The vast majority of Fedora users,
judging from the forums, still use yum rather than the guis.

Also, as Roy did mention, seems to me that in Ubuntu at least, they
don't include aptitude, only apt, though aptitude is easily installed.
(I prefer it to apt, simply because I can type apti<tab> as opposed to
reaching with my pinkie for the - key.)

IIRC, the original poster was asking about p7zip files though, and not
sure what most distributions include by default on that. I've only
worked with them on FreeBSD, CentOS and Fedora, so not sure what others
include in their default installations. (Not sure what CentOS and
Fedora do in their default installations either, actually, I always do a
minimal install and add to it. However, I see that in my CentOS
install, it's from rpmforge, meaning it wouldn't be included in a
default CentOS install.

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: New to group

Most Debian distro users do not use aptitude, but apt-get as an apt
frontend. Many Debian distributions do not even come with aptitude
pre-installed and rpm users don't use it at all, so *most* would hardly be
the term I would use. I am not sure that I understand the comment in
relation to unzipping a file. Aptitude is a package management tool in case
anyone is confused. :)

Unzipping files in Linux is very simple. I have yet to find a file type that
can't be handled by right clicking in the file manager. If you prefer though
you can open an archive manager such as Ark or many others found in the
repositories.

Roy

Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit
Location: Canada


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