Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: GNU

Darksyde,
Those are the big ones. There is also Banshee, Beagle, Blam, Diva, Miune, &
Second Life. I use Kubuntu which does not rely on Mono and it has excellent
applications that can replace most of the above. AmaroK instead of Banshee,
DigiKam instead of F-spot, Knotes instead of Tomboy (or Gnome's Gnote which
is an actual fork), aKgregator instead of Blam and kuK instead of Miune. KDE
has its own replacement for Beagle, but I don't use it so forget the name
and there are plasmas that replace Gnome-do. Of course these can run from
GNOME, except the plasmas.

If you try to remove Mono it will list the programmes that you have
installed that rely on it.

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2009/11/13 Darksyde <m_alexander61@yahoo.com>

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> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com <LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Darksyde" <m_alexander61@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com <LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Roy <linuxcanuck@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Unless one has been under a rock for the past several years most people
> are
> > > aware of the bad history between GNU and Linux Foundation. This has
> been
> > > exacerbated by the success of distributions such as Ubuntu which use
> the
> > > name Linux rather than GNU/Linux. Meanwhile Debian which calls itself
> > > GNU/Linux has fallen from lofty heights. This has led many of the users
> of
> > > the latter to cry foul and complain about Ubuntu, Canonical and
> Shuttleworth
> > > to anyone who will listen. Shuttleworth has tried to heal the rift, but
> is
> > > continually been rebuffed by Debian which sees ulterior motives in his
> every
> > > move.
> > >
> > > The FSF has recently begun to become more activist and take on the
> > > proprietary world head on with its Seven Sins of Windows 7 (
> > > http://en.windows7sins.org/). They have tried to raise money to that
> end. On
> > > the other side, Linux Foundation acquired the Linux.com name and has
> tried
> > > to sell memberships of its own. So far, Linus Torvalds is winning this
> war
> > > because GNU/Linux as a term is in decline and Linux is everywhere, but
> it is
> > > not over yet.
> > >
> > > RMS (Richard Stallman of GNU and FSF) likes to take shots at (in no
> > > particular order) proprietary software, licences other than GNU, Linus
> > > Torvalds, Linux Foundation, Miguel de Icaza, Microsoft, and Mono. He
> has a
> > > rather long list. He is a brilliant man who does not mince his words.
> Linus
> > > has crossed swords now and again, but more often than not ignores him.
> > > Miguel de Icaza on the other hand likes to take on RMS and does so
> > > frequently. RMS has called him a traitor to free software. RMS is a
> frequent
> > > subject of de Icaza's blog where he has been called a nazi. Both have
> ardent
> > > followers, but RMS's verge on having religious zeal in their desire to
> > > convert others to their ideology.
> > >
> > > Everyone has to make up one's own mind on whether to use GNU/Linux or
> Linux,
> > > to include proprietary software or exclude it and to use mono or not.
> Nobody
> > > likes to be told what to think which is where I find fault with GNU and
> FSF
> > > advocates. If Linux is about freedom then we need to be free to use
> what we
> > > want.
> > >
> > > However, Linux users should be aware of the controversy so that they
> can
> > > make wise decisions. Ubuntu for example includes Mono (Microsoft .NET
> by
> > > another name) by default (F-spot, Tomboy and Gnome-Do use it), but
> excludes
> > > proprietary things such as codecs and drivers. This means that Mono
> > > opponents (like me) must de-install Mono and find alternatives. People
> who
> > > may want to support free software may be unaware of the presence of
> Mono and
> > > the controversy that surrounds it. They think that Canonical knows
> best, but
> > > in this case I would dispute that.
> <snip>
>
> Question, Roy:
> I don't use F-Spot and can do without Tomboy and Gnome-Do. What other apps
> would be affected by the removal of Mono from Mint 6? I don't do any coding,
> though I sometimes play around with Ruby. Otherwise my computer-use is
> standard, but with a fair emphasis on multimedia apps, and I cannot imagine
> life without my Gnome desktop.
> Mark
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