Miguel de Icaza recently said that there are only 10 good Linux
applications. I am sure most of were Mono or GTK, although he did not name
any.
He also extolled the virtues of W8. Sometimes I wonder whose side he is on.
He says MS will sell a lot of W8 computers. I am not sure that I agree. The
desktop market is collapsing and business will want W7 over W8. A lot of
traditional desktop users will. To sell lots they will have to make serious
in roads on mobile devices and Android and iOS have a serious lead.
Roy
On Sep 29, 2011 10:17 PM, "Matthew K" <matt_hew@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> While I know many .Net developers that share your opinion, I respectfully
disagree. Linux may not be much of a threat on the desktop (or may ever be),
but that really doesn't matter that much any more. On the tablet, phone, and
server market Linux is very much of a threat. Microsoft sees Linux as a
powerhouse in server and mobile devices, and is very aware of their
presence. They would be fools not to see that people outside of hardcard
gamers, writers, and programmers are moving in droves away from the desktop
and to these other devices. In fact, Linux has a much greater market share
in servers, tablets, and phones. While PC sales are slowing, tablet and
phone sales continue to rise. It is obvious that Linux is aware of this with
the changes to Unity and Gnome3, and now it is obvious Microsoft is aware of
this with the look of the metro interface.
>
> Microsoft has much to worry about from Linux, and if they can lock
hardware manufacturers into locking out other Operating systems from new
tablet devices, and assume manufacturers will be to lazy to code in opt out
options, then Linux has much to worry about also. Every geek who builds his
own PC will have the codes to his/her hardware, and I doubt many of us will
have much to worry about. People who buy pre-built PC's may have the worry
if their hardware manufacturers do not put opt outs in there or give them
the codes.
>
> W8 is not just for the desktop, it will be a cross-device OS and will have
implications on many devices. I will be very concerned if one can not put a
Linux distro on their tablet device without a serious amount of hacking.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bob Hodges <bobh@rrhodges.com>
> To: "LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com" <LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: W8 & Linux
>
>
>
> The rant you guys are on is very entertaining and all, but there are other
facts to consider. As a former Microsoft employee (left the company in
2009), I can offer you the opinion of Linux from inside Microsoft's walls:
>
> Fact is, Microsoft doesn't hate Linux. And Linux is most definitely not
seen as a threat. Linux, after 20 years of hype, superiority complex,
ever-increasing bloat, systematic and chronic desktop layout plagiarism
(both KDE and GNOME are guilty as hell, which is just laughable), and oh
yeah - being given away for free - Linux is still soundly rejected by the
mainstream computing world to the tune of a paltry 12% server and 1% desktop
market share. After 20 years, especially given the vitriol and venomous
preaching, that is nothing short of an epic failure. Microsoft is most
certainly not worried about its place in the world, and continues to feel
quite comfortable charging $200 for an OS that competes against a free OS.
The part that should really tick of the Microsoft haters is how good this
looks in a courtroom - there is no stiffer competition than "FREE".
Microsoft vindicated.
>
> Any knife that Microsoft twists in Linux's side is simply just for fun,
trust me. Linux, as seen by Microsoft, is the OS of the bitterly
socially-impaired. Because the anti-Microsoft zealotry in the Linux world is
so venomous and predictable, it can literally be played like a harp for
sheer amusement. Jump into a Linux forum and post anything resembling a
pro-Microsoft post and watch the blood and fur fly - you can't buy that kind
of entertainment, but you sure can set your watch by it.
>
> So now you know.
>
> As for me personally, flame or bash if you must, but I love Linux,
OpenSUSE in particular, and have been using SUSE faithfully since version
7.3, when it came with stellar and untouchable printed manuals, etc (what I
have always found to be the Cadillac of all Linux distros). Unlike the
insufferable zealots on both sides of the Windows and Linux war, I do not
suffer from the intolerable syndrome of "single-systemitis". As such, I can
state things like "Linux kicks Windows' ass here, here and here. Windows
kicks Linux's ass here, here and here."
>
> So pick the good and bad out of both sides and you'll be able to praise
and slam both with fairness and credibility. And being less bitter, you'll
probably live longer.
>
> PS: Apple doesn't have a leg to stand on in this area, because if it
weren't for portable devices, Apple would have totally tanked. AGAIN.
>
>
> From: LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:37 PM
> To: LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: W8 & Linux
>
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
>>
>> MS are convicted felons in both the US and EU but they dragged out and
were
>> able to avoid much in the way of penalties. Now it is old history and
most
>> people have forgotten and forgiven.
>> They have not changed their behavior unfortunately.
>> They are becoming increasingly irrelevant and desperately need a winner
>> despite their wealth. They used to be the most respected brand and now
are
>> barely in the top ten. Apple has eclipsed them in so many ways. As
desktop
>> PCs fade and their server market declines they will be in trouble.
>> They have had few successes and are slow to respond to change.
>> It is usually too little and too late.
>> People buy their OS because they don't know any better or have no choice
and
>> not because they want to. Compare that to Apple where out has a cult like
>> following.
>>
>> Roy
>>
>>
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>
> You may think so, the guy on the street might think so, even Microsoft's
legal department may think so, but the law never forgets! That case will be
on the books until there is no country left for there to be books in. By
then it won't really matter will it?
>
> Oh and people don't "buy" their OSes they come "free" with a new PC don't
they? You and I may know this isn't true but most do not.
>
> Apple fans had parallels in history:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
>
> Another zealous group that had odd fashion sense and wasn't comfortable
with technology.
>
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