--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
>
> It is not a question of credibility or right or wrong. It is an unwinnable
> argument, both ways. We have choice. I have chosen what works for me and
> you have chosen what works for you. Most people avoid Debian and prefer a
> sensible distribution based on it because Debian has made it hard for
> users. Debian's users make it doubly hard when they go on a crusade. I am
> selling nothing and not in a p*ssing contest. You took things out of
> context to make it so. My comment about trying hundreds of distros was
> linked to Debian not working as hundreds of others do, not to any bragging.
> I wonder why you would do such a thing?
>
> The bottom line is in the numbers. Debian is fading to the point that many
> writers and columnists have questioned its relevance and long term
> viability. There is a reason for that. The stripping away of binary blobs
> in Debian 6 did nothing to help. Erecting barriers to usage is not going to
> make your distribution more popular or more accessible. That was their
> stated goal for Debian 6 and they shot themselves in the foot. In addition,
> they failed to gain the seal of approval from the FSF, so they gained
> nothing.
>
> Debian is a terrific ecosystem. It is worth preserving and it would be much
> easier for users of Debian forks to respect Debian, if Debian users were
> not so angry at the rest of the world. The hatred goes one way. Debian does
> not respect any distro that builds on it if it makes it more user friendly
> or is not in line with its own philosophy. Other distros are not like that.
> Shuttleworth loves what Mint is doing and says so publicly. He does not
> take every opportunity to dump on it as Debian users do with Ubuntu. In
> Planet Fedora I see lots of respect being given to Fedora derivatives. You
> cannot get respect without giving it.
>
> You might think that I hate Debian, but I do not. I rag on it because I
> want it to get better and succeed. I have long thought that there is a
> problem in the Debian community and their disrespect for anything that does
> not conform to their ideals, from FF to Ubuntu. There is nothing wrong with
> ideology. We should be free to have opinions that differ. Debian does not
> seem to get that freedom means freedom to disagree.
>
> We disagree, but it should not result in harsh words, unless you don't
> think that contrary views are unacceptable. If so, then you do not live in
> a free world, but a dictatorship.
>
> Roy
>
> Using Kubuntu 12.04, 64-bit
> Location: Canada
You've some crazy notions I'll give you that. There is Debian which is the wellspring then there are all the down stream pretenders that just muddy the waters. Your mind has been polluted by the impure.
Pray to St. iGNUcius to deliver you from evil and save your mortal soul!
http://stallman.org/saint.html
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