Fwd: Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: New Hand of Thief trojan does Linux but not windows!

Dont get me wrong about my opinions and comments expressed in previous
post... I am abbalutely a Linux lover and have been for a few years now
and contribute. What always impresses me about every Linux distro is
that it runs as fast or faster than a brand new windoze pc - which after
time just slows and slower particularly on start up. Linux runs that
fast always from day one no matter what you install extra.

Debian is rock hard solid and stable but Ubuntu with Mark Shuttleworth
seem to have really put Linux on the map so to speak - especially
attracting windows users to add a Linux puter or add a dual boot on
existing pC or simply wipe a PC and install Linux. Some really nice
distros have passed but that is happening now with all time favorite XP
for windows. Nothing lasts forever except the newest system.

By the way Trend Micro was an original that released Linux antivirus I
am sure with antispyware. I do not believe that has remained, but was
discontinued some time ago.

gerald philly pa usa
http://linuxducks.free-forums.org/index.php
(Information station, good browse)


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: New Hand of Thief trojan does Linux
but not windows!
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:07:24 -0400
From: G.LinuxDucks <g.linuxducks@gmail.com>
To: LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com



I dont know about free AVG but had terrible problems with that. I do
know ESET NOD32 for Linux is antimalware - both antivirus + antispyware
- and is paid yearly subscription. I have used that and it is the creme
of the crop as on Windows. This is the company with the most independent
labs awards (VB100) that has almost twice as many as the rest as
Symantec and Sophos (about neck and neck) . This actually showed some
hits that were blocked over the browser here and there (just a couple
over a months time) online that was surprising. ....
ESET NOD32 Antivirus 4 for Linux
http://www.eset.com/us/home/products/nod32-for-linux/


Also there is Panda for Linux, antivirus + antispyware, which is also a
well known quality product for Windows...
Panda DesktopSecure for Linux
Simple and complete protection for your Linux computer
http://www.pandasecurity.com/japan/homeusers/solutions/desktopsecure/

IN ADVANCE.... I would guesstimate perhaps up to 80 percent maybe of
Linux users will be rolling on the floor laughing at someone going to
spend $30-40 (USD us dollars) a year for Linux antimalware. You would
here a list of free stuff out there, free stand alone scanners with no
protection but can remove viruses, and in the same breath saying you
will never need it because Linux is impervious to malware - cant get
infected.

I would say we also heard this about Apple/Mac - same spiel but no
antivirus products - some millions and millions of infections ago. I do
say now in todays world to NEVER operate ANY computer without a minimum
of an antivirus product installed. I do say to the Linux diehards
against antimalware saying Linux will never get infected that existing
free anti-rootkit scanners are really poor if working at all. Many claim
Linux as the safest in the world which is simply a complete fantasy and
fabrication whether intentional or without knowledge.

Windows Vista is the first operating system that did not allow viruses
to write to the disk (just internet temporary files and erased closing
the browser) and was found that it did not allow ANY rootkits to run on
it. Windows Vista beat ALL anti-rootkit products in the world and this
is imperical data. ....
Vista's Despised UAC Nails Rootkits, Tests Find Rootkits unable to run
on Windows Vista !
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/146256/vistas_despised_uac_nails_rootkits_tests_find.html

After turning off UAC User Account Control, they were only able to even
get four rootkits to attempt to run on Vista. I called it the security
software crown of the decade of all the security industry. Malware was
unable to run on Windows Vista with UAC. THIS is what old diehards say
about Linux which is simply fantasy. Rootkits can run on Linux and
granted very limited other threats. So it is PROVEN Windows Vista was
the safest operating system in the world beating Linux. Vista with UAC
is very much like the safe Linux system already, and I ponder if
Micro$oft didnt steal something, hmmm. ...

Anyhooo... it will become opinion across the board and the www as is
happening as we speak, that Linux is going the way of Apple/Mac with
possible/probable infection. They can rant at windoze all they want but
when it comes to actual experience in handling malware and corporate
level blended threats and Denial of Service Attacks and the great botnet
plague and etc etc etc - it is Windows and Windows Users who have all
the experience. In other words for Apple/Mac and Linux - it is like they
are in their infancy and first days of even discovering malware in their
system as was Windows so many, many years ago. Naturally they are
talented enough to cope as was Microsoft. There will be those first
awkward days of real horrendous hammering of the system by cybercriminals
when they are overwhelmed but will bounce back quickly patching and
hard coding what is needed. In short, a lot of trial and error type
occurs in the beginning of attacks as unknown attacks, threats etc.

I have been delving into Linux security wise, tinkering for a couple of
years now. It irks me about any system that does not allow you into
areas. We (in security) all know it is simply a matter of time before
crimeware will circumvent areas, but if the user can not access to seek
and discover - well what? How will the user really ever know if there is
for instance a spyware package or other malware as some virus or rootkit
present? Currently tinkering with AppArmor to lock down Firefox. Can not
get it to accept value 1.
But on Windows being in security since 2005 with actually discovery in
the industry (malware RASautodial registry keys) on Linux I have to say
I am only an intermediate user at best. Working though, working towards
becoming an advanced user! Compared to Linux, windows was a piece of
cake to learn security-wise.

BOTTOM LINE... I think $30-40 USD a year is a very, very, very small
price to pay to sit back and relax and enjoy my Linux never worrying
about malware. That simple. That cheap. That real. I naturally recommend
ESET for Linux as tops and you can even use it free - fully working -
for 30 days to see if you like it or not.
TIP: If you indeed buy one of these products for Linux, I recommend
making a back up copy of the installer package AND your license number.
If a disaster occurs and you would need to reinstall Linux (meaning like
some mess up other than malware) you will have to have the license
number to reinstall the product or most likely would have to purchase a
new copy. Quite frankly I have would not spend $40 on any Linux distro
except a couple that are actually stable has been my experience. Debian
of course is at the top of the list and worthy of that investment. I am
currently running Xubuntu newly now this month and seems pretty stable.
Windows you can bounce around like a basketball and it will always start
back up fixing itself and especially Vista which introduced the
self-healing technology. I have not found that true with many Linux
distros. Simply lost all and had to reinstall. I caught a lot of flack
in the past but that was first impressions about Linux - way too
unstable and unsophisticated. Windows was the ONLY operating system that
is Unix Certified meaning secure and stable. Linux and Apple/Mac only
achieved Unix-Like Certification as somewhat insecure and somewhat
unstable. Now THAT is imperical data as well. So being informed and
knowledgeable - well I back up what I say with proof. I am not making
newbie novice rants and raves and opinions. And I say to that line that
jumps down your throat at the first mention of antivirus for Linux to
simply shut up and stop lying to the public and start being a
contributor to the safe and secure community of computer users with
intelligent knowledgeable communications. THAT will earn you respect. I
use to say it is my soap box and I will say what I want on it. Never
nuff said in security.

gerald philly pa usa Happy Hunting!
Home http://linuxducks.webs.com/

My Windows Side....
-- SENDER: gerald309
Webmaster: Malware Removal/Amateur Forensics
HOME http://bluecollarpc.us/
Alternate https://sites.google.com/site/pcsecurityhelper/
Free Malware Removal Help / A Community Website Since 2005
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 8/11/2013 9:37 PM, Joe PM wrote:

-I installed Comodo antivirus free, their a good company, it is a good
choice. The free version does not seem to have malware protection. Is
there a good free malware protector for linux? thanks





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------------------------------

To unsubscribe from this list, please email LINUX_Newbies-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com & you will be removed.Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LINUX_Newbies/

<*> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LINUX_Newbies/join
(Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:
LINUX_Newbies-digest@yahoogroups.com
LINUX_Newbies-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
LINUX_Newbies-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/