Wednesday, January 11, 2017

[LINUX_Newbies] destroyed mouse dsl keyboard during session

 

good afternoon
sometimes there is an accident using Linux
not often once a month.
So we lose contact to internet or mouse or gui was destroyed.
Until today we cannot repair it and we boot new and everything is fine.
But is it possible to repair without ending the session?

regards
sophie

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[LINUX_Newbies] update ubuntus

 

good afternoon
we use now linux during 4 years,
very good.
every six months u have to update ubuntus
but sometimes there is no link for upgrade.
How can I ask for update 16.04 to 16.10?
regards
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Tuesday, January 10, 2017

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] UNIX Compatibility Question

 

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 06:07:36PM -0500, J dreadpiratejeff@gmail.com [LINUX_Newbies] wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Scott scottro@nyc.rr.com
> [LINUX_Newbies] <LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > The answer is that most things run on the BSDs, but not all, and they
> > frequently have to be somewhat re-written.
>
> More specifically, anything that runs via an interpreter should be ok
> in MOST cases (caveat emptor) such as Java, Python, etc.
>
> Things that directly make system calls directly should (again caveat
> emptor) work if they adhere to POSIX standards, and things that make
> non-POSIX system calls will need porting.
>
I am thinking more of various programs and drivers--for example, Linux is
way ahead of the BSDs in things like X--my 2 year old Haswell card on a
Yoga 2 will work with any Linux, but in FreeBSD, I have to use CURRENT,
then recompile the kernel with a special git repository.

Various things may simply not be written for the BSDs because of lack of
manpower, or interest There seems to be one person doing all of BSD
wireless, and cards will usually work in Linux before they will work in
FreeBSD.

As Jeff points out though, there are often bash-isms, that, while they'll
work in FreeBSD, may have to be rewritten--in Linux, /bin/sh is bash, while
in FreeBSD, it's a simpler sh program--to use bash in FreeBSD, you have to
install it as a third party program and any scripts using it would have to
use /usr/local/bin/bash, rather than that #!/bin/sh that would work in
Linux.

That being said, I use FreeBSD as my workstation at work, though for some
things, I have to use a Linux VM, e.g., the netextender program to connect
to a Sonicwall, or the plugin for firefox to open a console on a vCloud
director interface.

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] UNIX Compatibility Question

 

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Scott scottro@nyc.rr.com
[LINUX_Newbies] <LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> The answer is that most things run on the BSDs, but not all, and they
> frequently have to be somewhat re-written.

More specifically, anything that runs via an interpreter should be ok
in MOST cases (caveat emptor) such as Java, Python, etc.

Things that directly make system calls directly should (again caveat
emptor) work if they adhere to POSIX standards, and things that make
non-POSIX system calls will need porting.

A good demonstration of this (using an interpreted language and
without diving into compiled code that I haven't written in forever)
is the following, very simple code:

bladernr@galactica:~/development$ cat bashtest.sh
# test of a bashism, run this in bash and in sh to see the difference

function bash_function { echo I only work in BASH; }

posix_function() { echo I work in any POSIX shell; }

bash_function || echo Y U NO WRITE POSIX CODE???!?
posix_function || echo Y UR POSIX EXAMPLE FULL OF FAIL!???
bladernr@galactica:~/development$ bash bashtest.sh
I only work in BASH
I work in any POSIX shell
bladernr@galactica:~/development$ sh bashtest.sh
bashtest.sh: 3: bashtest.sh: function: not found
bashtest.sh: 7: bashtest.sh: bash_function: not found
Y U NO WRITE POSIX CODE???!?
I work in any POSIX shell
bladernr@galactica:~/development$ dash bashtest.sh
bashtest.sh: 3: bashtest.sh: function: not found
bashtest.sh: 7: bashtest.sh: bash_function: not found
Y U NO WRITE POSIX CODE???!?
I work in any POSIX shell

Note that posix_function works in all three, where bash_function is
not POSIX compliant and only works in BASH.

Cheers,

Jeff

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies]

 

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Michael Sullivan
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> On 01/10/2017 12:52 PM, Scott scottro@nyc.rr.com [LINUX_Newbies] wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 05:42:40PM +0000, Michael Sullivan
>> msulli1355@gmail.com [LINUX_Newbies] wrote:
>>> Is this time stamp correct?
>>
>> Actually, a little odd--when I hit reply I see 5:42 PM UTC, but when I look
>> at the headers, it shows 13:05.

So I have a date in Google of 12:42PM EST, which is 17:42 UTC. The
timestamps in the headers show:

X-Received: by 10.12.149.156 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:42:40 -0800 (PST)

Which looks correct to me, since PST is, in fact, UTC-8. If it's an
hour off, perhaps you're locally showing the wrong timezone? Or maybe
something is misconfigured to still be using DST, which would be UTC -
7.

Then again, I have no real idea what's going on, just a cryptic email
that seemed intriguing :)

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] UNIX Compatibility Question

 

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:37:52AM -0700, 'Bob Hodges' bobh@rrhodges.com [LINUX_Newbies] wrote:
> So if I' m reading my history correctly, Solaris and BSD are actually true UNIXes while Linux was created as a UNIX alternative with UNIX-like functionality. Linux Torvalds says that he wouldn't have even developed Linux if FreeBSD hadn't been delayed (for years) by a pointless lawsuit.
>
> I love the concept of using a "true" UNIX, like Solaris or BSD, which have more bulletproof kernels. It was directly stated on NASA TV that Solaris is the only OS that NASA uses for manned space flight because "it absolutely must run", and Sony uses BSD as the OS for the Playstation 3/4 for the same reason (stability under extreme use).
>
> But Linux seems to have much more software and "general usability" in its universe, with much more user-friendly options that are far less archaic than any flavor of true UNIX that are still accessible to Joe Sixpack.
>
> My question: Noticing that GNOME and KDE are both available for BSD, and GNOME is what comes with Solaris by default, does all Linux software run on Solaris/BSD?
>
> Not trying to start a debate, just curious about the possibilities of running Linux software on a real UNIX descendant.

Well, to be a true Unix, in theory, it has to be certified. OSX is
certified as Unix, FreeBSD isn't. There was a book out years ago, Unix
administration, where they covered, if I remember correctly, AIX, HP-UX,
Solaris, now owned by Oracle, RedHat and FreeBSD.

Some of the BSD folks get really into the whole, It's Unix, Linux
isn't--actually Gnu is a recursive acronym, for Gnu is Not Unix. These
days, Linux gets further and further from the Unix idea of have something
do one thing and do it well.

The answer is that most things run on the BSDs, but not all, and they
frequently have to be somewhat re-written.

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies]

 

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 05:42:40PM +0000, Michael Sullivan msulli1355@gmail.com [LINUX_Newbies] wrote:
> Is this time stamp correct?

Actually, a little odd--when I hit reply I see 5:42 PM UTC, but when I look
at the headers, it shows 13:05.


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Re: [LINUX_Newbies]

 

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 05:42:40PM +0000, Michael Sullivan msulli1355@gmail.com [LINUX_Newbies] wrote:
> Is this time stamp correct?

I'm seeing UTC time and it seems it may be off by an hour. I see 05:42 PM
whereas, if you sent it at around 13:42 EST that should be 06 rather than
05.

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[LINUX_Newbies] UNIX Compatibility Question

 

So if I' m reading my history correctly, Solaris and BSD are actually true UNIXes while Linux was created as a UNIX alternative with UNIX-like functionality.  Linux Torvalds says that he wouldn't have even developed Linux if FreeBSD hadn't been delayed (for years) by a pointless lawsuit.

I love the concept of using a "true" UNIX, like Solaris or BSD, which have more bulletproof kernels.  It was directly stated on NASA TV that Solaris is the only OS that NASA uses for manned space flight because "it absolutely must run", and Sony uses BSD as the OS for the Playstation 3/4 for the same reason (stability under extreme use). 

But Linux seems to have much more software and "general usability" in its universe, with much more user-friendly options that are far less archaic than any flavor of true UNIX that are still accessible to Joe Sixpack.

My question:  Noticing that GNOME and KDE are both available for BSD, and GNOME is what comes with Solaris by default, does all Linux software run on Solaris/BSD?

Not trying to start a debate, just curious about the possibilities of running Linux software on a real UNIX descendant.

Thanks!

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Is this time stamp correct?

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies]

 

On 01/10/2017 12:52 PM, Scott scottro@nyc.rr.com [LINUX_Newbies] wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 05:42:40PM +0000, Michael Sullivan
> msulli1355@gmail.com [LINUX_Newbies] wrote:
>> Is this time stamp correct?
>
> Actually, a little odd--when I hit reply I see 5:42 PM UTC, but when I look
> at the headers, it shows 13:05.
>
>
> --
> Scott Robbins
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>
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My timezone was not set correctly. I've since fixed it.

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies]

 

This wasn't supposed to go to Linux Newbies. I apologize for the
confusion...
On 01/10/2017 05:42 PM, Michael Sullivan msulli1355@gmail.com
[LINUX_Newbies] wrote:
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>
> Is this time stamp correct?
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