Wednesday, July 31, 2013

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Starting software twice Linux

 



Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
Thank You for Email and help.

> > > > I start terminal one Midori
> > > > I start terminal 2 Midori.
> > > > I kill terminal 1 and both Midoris are destroyed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > is it possible to use
> > > > a programm like ff oder midori
> > > > independent from the other software?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Sophie,
> > >
> > > it's not entirely clear to me what you are actually trying to
> achieve. I mean, why would you want start a certain program like a web
> browser twice? That might make sense for a file converter say, like
> Soundconverter, but for Midori and the like? Or are you rather after
> what different ways are there to kill a process?
> > >
> > > Pascal
> > >
> > I have used two different browsers open at the same time, plus some
> are file browsers as well as web browsers, based on KDE, I think. It may
> depend on how much RAM you have.
>
> Hi Joan,
>
> I understood Sophie thus that she wanted to run the same program twice
> as two instances at the same time,

*
YES

not two different browsers (FF and
> Chromium for example),
*
Yes.

Instances is the right word.

which I do myself from time to time. I just do
> not get the reason why one would do that with a web browser, for other
> applications I do see a logic behind it, but not for a browser.
Example:
Browser A is busy
and I want to open another chat.

Regards
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Starting software twice Linux

 


Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
Thank You for Email and help.

> >
> > > 2 Terminal 2 Tasks
> > >
> > > I start terminal one Midori
> > > I start terminal 2 Midori.
> > > I kill terminal 1 and both Midoris are destroyed.
> > >
> > >
> > > is it possible to use
> > > a programm like ff oder midori
> > > independent from the other software?
> >
> >
> > Hi Sophie,
> >
> > it's not entirely clear to me what you are actually trying to
> achieve. I mean, why would you want start a certain program like a web
> browser twice? That might make sense for a file converter say, like
> Soundconverter, but for Midori and the like? Or are you rather after
> what different ways are there to kill a process?
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> I have used two different browsers open at the same time, plus some are
> file browsers as well as web browsers, based on KDE, I think. It may
> depend on how much RAM you have.
>
> If you want to see a Distro that takes advantage of this is PcLinuxOS:
> http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=1413
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I ll check this.
I ll study this.

Thank You.
This is another GUI, isnt it?

Regards
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Starting software twice Linux

 



Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
Thank You for Email and help.

> > 2 Terminal 2 Tasks
> >
> > I start terminal one Midori
> > I start terminal 2 Midori.
> > I kill terminal 1 and both Midoris are destroyed.
> >
> >
> > is it possible to use
> > a programm like ff oder midori
> > independent from the other software?
>
> Hi Sophie,
>
> it's not entirely clear to me what you are actually trying to achieve.
*
Thank You.
What is the problem.

I start Midori or FF
and then there is a bad homepage.

Example: Forum PR asks do You want to download mp3.

So the browser is blocked.
My idea is
to start a second ff
where I can open another url
and this is independent to the first url.

Second problem is:
All browsers fill themself with dirt.

Example: Every 3 hours I kill FF
and fresh startened
now FF is more fast.

These are the problems.

I
> mean, why would you want start a certain program like a web browser
> twice?
*
Because of trouble during surfing.

That might make sense for a file converter say, like
> Soundconverter, but for Midori and the like? Or are you rather after
> what different ways are there to kill a process?
>
I know
how to kill a browser.
Sometimes kill does not work
then

killall -9 firefox

Regards
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] compose music

Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
Thank You for Email and help.


Am 19.07.2013 03:15, schrieb G.LinuxDucks:> Used search terms in
Bing..... "linux compose midi software"
> ...many.
>
Thank You for help.
The term MIDI
was helpful.

Which program is the best or just do
try and error?

Regards
Sophie




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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Two users on one computer

 


Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
Thank You for Email and help.

> > > | >>> su user2
> > > | >>> sudo firefox
> > > |
> > > | will open open firefox in the existing X session of "user1" while
> > sourcing
> > > | user2's firfeox profile/bookmarks, etc.
> > >
> > > Yes, but only because you're now running firefox as root! Surely
> > > not the plan. It also tends to litter your homedir with root owned
> > > files ready to cause inconvenience later.
> > *
> > Is this the same situation
> > today I am booting as user1
> > and
> > tomorrow I am booting as user2.
>
> That is a different situation than the one described above.
*
OK

>
> > What kind of firefox are 1 and 2 using?
>
> They are using the same version of firefox, but with their own
> bookmarks, history, cookies, homepage, login, etc.
+
OK.
>
> > >
> > > | At least since Ubuntu 10.04, there has been a "switch user"
from the
> > > | login/out options. It suspends the session of the active user, and
> > lets a
> > > | different user log into their own desktop environment, I think
in a
> > > | different tty.
> > >
> > > That sounds like what Sophie wants.
> > *
> > Yes.
> > Thank You.
> >
>
> Glad you found a solution you like!
*
Thank You.
I learn a lot in this nice community.
Thank You.

Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Two users on one computer

 


Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
Thank You for Email and help.

Am 18.07.2013 23:48, schrieb C. Beck:> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:15 AM,
highskywhy@yahoo.de
> <highskywhy@yahoo.de> wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> So
>> two users can use two different bookmarks
>> or do the You the same firefox with same cookies and so on?
>
> You use ubuntu right?
*
This is Xubuntu.
I also use Siduction.

For every new user you setup, they will be
> given their own "desktop environment", which includes home folders
> where settings and various user information is stored..
*
OK
All personal
> settings of programs will be specific to each user (and hidden from
> other users unless explicitly given access during or after account
> setup).
*
OK
So it would be two users with different bookmarks, different
> cookies, different home-page, etc. for a browser like firefox.
*
Thank You.

Regards
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Two users on one computer

 



Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
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> > When you start using "su" you have some pitfalls to consider. Many
> > programs rely on the $HOME environment variable to decide where
> > files should go. If you use "su user2" instead of "su - user2" then
> > $HOME will probably be user1's home directory. Chaos ensues.
>
> The manual maintained at GNU.org is fairly clear that $HOME is set, so
> chaos should be avoided. I copied what is relevant below:
>
> ----
>
<http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html>
> "By default, su does not change the current directory. It sets the
> environment variables HOME and SHELL from the password entry for user,
> and if user is not the super-user, sets USER and LOGNAME to user. By
> default, the shell is not a login shell."
> ----
>
> Do you use a different su? If not, give it a try. Open a terminal
> and switch to a new user with just 'su user', then after password
> entry type "echo $HOME". It should return the home directory of
> whatever user you specified.
>
> For the record, I am not saying don't use "-" or "-l" as appropriate
> with su. I am also not suggesting appropriate use of the su program,
> as that is at the discretion of a given system administrator and (in
> my opinion) varies depending on how a system is used.
>
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I have a lot to learn about Linux.
Thank You
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Two users on one computer

 


Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
Thank You for Email and help.

> | > | >>> su user2
> | > | >>> sudo firefox
> | > |
> | > | will open open firefox in the existing X session of "user1" while
> | sourcing
> | > | user2's firfeox profile/bookmarks, etc.
> | >
> | > Yes, but only because you're now running firefox as root! Surely
> | > not the plan. It also tends to litter your homedir with root owned
> | > files ready to cause inconvenience later.
> | *
> | Is this the same situation
> | today I am booting as user1
> | and
> | tomorrow I am booting as user2.
>
> Try to avoid this notion of "booting". Booting is what happens when
> you shut the machine down and start it up.
*
This I wanted to stay.
To start the computer in the morning.

You may be doing that,
> but it is overkill. Just log out, and log in as someone else. If
> your desktop has some kind of "switch user" facility, that is even
> more convenient.
*
Ok.

>
> | What kind of firefox are 1 and 2 using?
>
> They'd be running the same firefox, but as different users. Hopefully
> with the files in each user's specific home directory. This is
> reliably done using separate desktops, one as each user.
*
I think they block each other.

>
> When you start using "su" you have some pitfalls to consider. Many
> programs rely on the $HOME environment variable to decide where
> files should go. If you use "su user2" instead of "su - user2" then
> $HOME will probably be user1's home directory. Chaos ensues. The
> program may well try to write where it has no permission.
>
> Worse is plain "su" or "su -". That means "su root" or "su - root".
> It will have the same "wrong directory" issues, but root will not
> be troubles by permissions. It may well write all sorts of files
> on user1's home directory, owned by root. The user1 will have trouble
> laters when he/she encouters these files.
>
> Conversely, (with "su -") the program may run as root, and you end
> up leaving personal stuff in root's home directory.
>
> Keeping things in distinct desktops and avoiding "su" is far less
confusing.
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OK.

Regards
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Two users on one computer

 



Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
Thank You for Email and help.

Am 18.07.2013 00:10, schrieb Cameron Simpson:> On 17Jul2013 17:12,
highskywhy@yahoo.de <mailto:highskywhy%40yahoo.de>
> <highskywhy@yahoo.de <mailto:highskywhy%40yahoo.de>> wrote:
> | > If the mail program is a text based one, no worries (except for
> | > certain niche situations). *
> | Like Alpine?
>
> Yes. I use mutt myself, also text based.
*
Is there a homepage with a detailed manual for mutt?

Regards
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: Grep questions

 



Good afternoon.
Mi Jul 31 15:34:43 2013
Thank You for Email and help.

> | > | Is it better for not confuse myself to name it mybin
> | > | ?
> | >
> | > Your call.
> | *
> | OK
> | The idea is
> | doing update or start a new Linux at new computer:
> |
> | bin is looking like Linux created
> | mybin is looking: Oh, Sophie created it You have to backup this.
>
> Well, your whole home directory should be backed up.
> (Possibly excluding scratch areas like caches of temp files.)
*
Ok
Should I also back up the whole home
by changing for example from Xubuntu to Siduction?

>
> | But since it is in your home directory, it should already
> | > be obvious that it is for you.
> | >*
> | OK
>
> You should perhaps think of it more like a naming convention: "bin"
> does not mean "Linux created it"; "bin" means a directory of program
> files. Putting a "bin" in you home directory implies you made it;
> "bin" says it is for programs.
*
All folders created by me have the name
nameemail
nameurls
namepictures
So until I know all directories
it is easy for me to see
what is selfmade.

>
> Aside: historicly these were "binary" executables (like Windows
> .exe files), which is why the directory is named "bin" (the name
> is short so as to be easy to type, like "ls" instead of "list").
> These days executable scripts go in the same place; there is little
> reason to distinguish the two.
*
OK
What do I have to do
a
I create a directory and there I put all executable files.
b
I create a subfolder mybin in the dir bin like bin/mybin
and put there my executable files.
c
I think it is possibel to
make a shell file:
ffx does start firefox
as shortcut.

>
> | > No. It searches for an executable file named "dothisnow".
> | *
> | Ok.
> | But where?
> | In the path directories or the whole hd?
>
> Only in the directories named in $PATH.

*
OK
> That gives you control. Not to mention being much faster.
*
OK

Thank You
Sophie

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] yahoo web mail in ubuntu 12.04

 

On 30/07/13 02:28, Joan Leach wrote:
>
> Are you using Yahoo Webmail only, with or without it's toolbar add-on
> extension in Firefox, or in another web browser? Or did you opt for
> using one of the Linux mail clients to download your Yahoo mail into?
> Why would you be using a separate password for your Yahoo Webmail, a
> separate computer password I understand.
>
> Joan in Reno
>
> >________________________________
> > From: bazzayorky <bazzayorky@yahoo.com.au
> <mailto:bazzayorky%40yahoo.com.au>>
> >To: LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:10 AM
> >Subject: [LINUX_Newbies] yahoo web mail in ubuntu 12.04
> >
> >Hello Joan,sorry it was my mistake as I just entered my yahoo
> password from my laptop and it is ok.The reason I panicked a bit was
> I had just made myself a member of UbuntuForums and then the site
> administrators put out a e mail to all members saying that the site
> had been hacked and that we should enter a new password in for yahoo
> which has now been done.Many thanks for helping me and I am just
> beginning to enjoy Ubuntu 12.04,but still learnig.
>
Thankyou again Barrie Haigh
>
> >
> >
> >Please help me. I am very very new to Ubuntu 12.04, I put ubuntu on
> an older desk top with only ubuntu on it. I use Yahoo web mail on my
> Toshiba laptop as my main computer and transferred my yahoo web mail
> to the newly installed ubuntu computer so both setups have the same e
> mail address but different Passwords of course. Please what do I have
> to do to uninstall my Yahoo Mail completely from the Ubuntu 12.04
> computer with no trace of it on the ubuntu system.
> >Please help me. Thankypi Barrie Haigh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Monday, July 29, 2013

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] yahoo web mail in ubuntu 12.04

 

Are you using Yahoo Webmail only, with or without it's toolbar add-on extension in Firefox, or in another web browser? Or did you opt for using one of the Linux mail clients to download your Yahoo mail into? Why would you be using a separate password for your Yahoo Webmail, a separate computer password I understand.

Joan in Reno

>________________________________
> From: bazzayorky <bazzayorky@yahoo.com.au>
>To: LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:10 AM
>Subject: [LINUX_Newbies] yahoo web mail in ubuntu 12.04
>
>
>
> 
>Please help me. I am very very new to Ubuntu 12.04, I put ubuntu on an older desk top with only ubuntu on it. I use Yahoo web mail on my Toshiba laptop as my main computer and transferred my yahoo web mail to the newly installed ubuntu computer so both setups have the same e mail address but different Passwords of course. Please what do I have to do to uninstall my Yahoo Mail completely from the Ubuntu 12.04 computer with no trace of it on the ubuntu system.
>Please help me. Thankypi Barrie Haigh
>
>
>
>
>

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[LINUX_Newbies] yahoo web mail in ubuntu 12.04

 

Please help me.I am very very new to Ubuntu 12.04 I ubuntu on an oder desk top with only ubuntu on it.I use Yahoo web mail on my Toshiba laptop as my main computer and transferred my yahoo web mail to the newly installed ubuntu computer so both setups have the same e mail address but different Passwords of course.Please what do I have to do to uninstall my Yahoo Mail completely from the Ubuntu 12.04 computer with no trace of it on the ubuntu system.
Please help me. Thankypi Barrie Haigh

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Sunday, July 21, 2013

[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Starting software twice Linux

 

> > > 2 Terminal 2 Tasks
> > >
> > > I start terminal one Midori
> > > I start terminal 2 Midori.
> > > I kill terminal 1 and both Midoris are destroyed.
> > >
> > >
> > > is it possible to use
> > > a programm like ff oder midori
> > > independent from the other software?
> >
> >
> > Hi Sophie,
> >
> > it's not entirely clear to me what you are actually trying to achieve. I mean, why would you want start a certain program like a web browser twice? That might make sense for a file converter say, like Soundconverter, but for Midori and the like? Or are you rather after what different ways are there to kill a process?
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> I have used two different browsers open at the same time, plus some are file browsers as well as web browsers, based on KDE, I think. It may depend on how much RAM you have.

Hi Joan,

I understood Sophie thus that she wanted to run the same program twice as two instances at the same time, not two different browsers (FF and Chromium for example), which I do myself from time to time. I just do not get the reason why one would do that with a web browser, for other applications I do see a logic behind it, but not for a browser.

Pascal

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