companies out there just waiting for it to
come out, so they can sue MS. To tell me that in order to sell software for
Win8, I have to pay them(MS) 30%,
I don't think so. Last year(2010) I sold over $100,000.00 of software,
by twenty developers, for the Win OS. If I
have to pay them(MS) 30%, I would louse money. With cost of copying,
shipping and more I only make little
over 15% for myself with, about 28%, going to the developers. My company is
small but with that fee, it would put
me out of business. I work with developers just starting out that does
shareware and with some that does it for an hobby.
david
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Miguel de Icaza recently said that there are only 10 good Linux
> applications. I am sure most of were Mono or GTK, although he did not name
> any.
> He also extolled the virtues of W8. Sometimes I wonder whose side he is on.
> He says MS will sell a lot of W8 computers. I am not sure that I agree. The
> desktop market is collapsing and business will want W7 over W8. A lot of
> traditional desktop users will. To sell lots they will have to make serious
> in roads on mobile devices and Android and iOS have a serious lead.
>
> Roy
>
> On Sep 29, 2011 10:17 PM, "Matthew K" <matt_hew@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> > While I know many .Net developers that share your opinion, I respectfully
> disagree. Linux may not be much of a threat on the desktop (or may ever
> be),
> but that really doesn't matter that much any more. On the tablet, phone,
> and
> server market Linux is very much of a threat. Microsoft sees Linux as a
> powerhouse in server and mobile devices, and is very aware of their
> presence. They would be fools not to see that people outside of hardcard
> gamers, writers, and programmers are moving in droves away from the desktop
> and to these other devices. In fact, Linux has a much greater market share
> in servers, tablets, and phones. While PC sales are slowing, tablet and
> phone sales continue to rise. It is obvious that Linux is aware of this
> with
> the changes to Unity and Gnome3, and now it is obvious Microsoft is aware
> of
> this with the look of the metro interface.
> >
> > Microsoft has much to worry about from Linux, and if they can lock
> hardware manufacturers into locking out other Operating systems from new
> tablet devices, and assume manufacturers will be to lazy to code in opt out
> options, then Linux has much to worry about also. Every geek who builds his
> own PC will have the codes to his/her hardware, and I doubt many of us will
> have much to worry about. People who buy pre-built PC's may have the worry
> if their hardware manufacturers do not put opt outs in there or give them
> the codes.
> >
> > W8 is not just for the desktop, it will be a cross-device OS and will
> have
> implications on many devices. I will be very concerned if one can not put a
> Linux distro on their tablet device without a serious amount of hacking.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Bob Hodges <bobh@rrhodges.com>
> > To: "LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com" <LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: W8 & Linux
> >
> >
> >
> > The rant you guys are on is very entertaining and all, but there are
> other
> facts to consider. As a former Microsoft employee (left the company in
> 2009), I can offer you the opinion of Linux from inside Microsoft's walls:
> >
> > Fact is, Microsoft doesn't hate Linux. And Linux is most definitely not
> seen as a threat. Linux, after 20 years of hype, superiority complex,
> ever-increasing bloat, systematic and chronic desktop layout plagiarism
> (both KDE and GNOME are guilty as hell, which is just laughable), and oh
> yeah - being given away for free - Linux is still soundly rejected by the
> mainstream computing world to the tune of a paltry 12% server and 1%
> desktop
> market share. After 20 years, especially given the vitriol and venomous
> preaching, that is nothing short of an epic failure. Microsoft is most
> certainly not worried about its place in the world, and continues to feel
> quite comfortable charging $200 for an OS that competes against a free OS.
> The part that should really tick of the Microsoft haters is how good this
> looks in a courtroom - there is no stiffer competition than "FREE".
> Microsoft vindicated.
> >
> > Any knife that Microsoft twists in Linux's side is simply just for fun,
> trust me. Linux, as seen by Microsoft, is the OS of the bitterly
> socially-impaired. Because the anti-Microsoft zealotry in the Linux world
> is
> so venomous and predictable, it can literally be played like a harp for
> sheer amusement. Jump into a Linux forum and post anything resembling a
> pro-Microsoft post and watch the blood and fur fly - you can't buy that
> kind
> of entertainment, but you sure can set your watch by it.
> >
> > So now you know.
> >
> > As for me personally, flame or bash if you must, but I love Linux,
> OpenSUSE in particular, and have been using SUSE faithfully since version
> 7.3, when it came with stellar and untouchable printed manuals, etc (what I
> have always found to be the Cadillac of all Linux distros). Unlike the
> insufferable zealots on both sides of the Windows and Linux war, I do not
> suffer from the intolerable syndrome of "single-systemitis". As such, I can
> state things like "Linux kicks Windows' ass here, here and here. Windows
> kicks Linux's ass here, here and here."
> >
> > So pick the good and bad out of both sides and you'll be able to praise
> and slam both with fairness and credibility. And being less bitter, you'll
> probably live longer.
> >
> > PS: Apple doesn't have a leg to stand on in this area, because if it
> weren't for portable devices, Apple would have totally tanked. AGAIN.
> >
> >
> > From: LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Paul
> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:37 PM
> > To: LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [LINUX_Newbies] Re: W8 & Linux
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> MS are convicted felons in both the US and EU but they dragged out and
> were
> >> able to avoid much in the way of penalties. Now it is old history and
> most
> >> people have forgotten and forgiven.
> >> They have not changed their behavior unfortunately.
> >> They are becoming increasingly irrelevant and desperately need a winner
> >> despite their wealth. They used to be the most respected brand and now
> are
> >> barely in the top ten. Apple has eclipsed them in so many ways. As
> desktop
> >> PCs fade and their server market declines they will be in trouble.
> >> They have had few successes and are slow to respond to change.
> >> It is usually too little and too late.
> >> People buy their OS because they don't know any better or have no choice
> and
> >> not because they want to. Compare that to Apple where out has a cult
> like
> >> following.
> >>
> >> Roy
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> > You may think so, the guy on the street might think so, even Microsoft's
> legal department may think so, but the law never forgets! That case will be
> on the books until there is no country left for there to be books in. By
> then it won't really matter will it?
> >
> > Oh and people don't "buy" their OSes they come "free" with a new PC don't
> they? You and I may know this isn't true but most do not.
> >
> > Apple fans had parallels in history:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
> >
> > Another zealous group that had odd fashion sense and wasn't comfortable
> with technology.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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>
>
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