Re: [LINUX_Newbies] New features in 11.04

 

UNIX CERTIFICATION..... referenced

Unix
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix

"Unix (officially trademarked as UNIX, sometimes also written as Unix) is a
multitasking, multi-user computer operating system originally developed in
1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs, including Ken Thompson,
Dennis Ritchie, Brian Kernighan, Douglas McIlroy, Steven Gladstone and Joe
Ossanna. The Unix operating system was first developed in assembly
language,
but by 1973 had been almost entirely recoded in C, greatly facilitating its
further development and porting to other hardware. Today's Unix system
evolution is split into various branches, developed over time by AT&T as
well as various commercial vendors, universities (such as University of
California, Berkeley's BSD), and non-profit organizations.

The Open Group, an industry standards consortium, owns the UNIX trademark.
Only systems fully compliant with and certified according to the Single
UNIX
Specification are qualified to use the trademark; others might be called
Unix system-like or Unix-like, although the Open Group disapproves[1] of
this term. However, the term Unix is often used informally to denote any
operating system that closely resembles the trademarked system.

During the late 1970s and early 1980s, the influence of Unix in academic
circles led to large-scale adoption of Unix (particularly of the BSD
variant, originating from the University of California, Berkeley) by
commercial startups, the most notable of which are Solaris, HP-UX and AIX.
Among all variants of Unix, Linux is the most widely used, powering
everything from huge data centers to desktop systems to mobile phones to
embedded devices such as routers. Mac OS X currently has the biggest use on
personal computers with more than 55 million systems installed. Today, in
addition to certified Unix systems such as those already mentioned,
Unix-like operating systems such as MINIX, Linux and BSD descendants
(FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and DragonFly BSD) are commonly encountered. The
term traditional Unix may be used to describe a Unix or an operating system
that has the characteristics of either Version 7 Unix or UNIX System V.

Several graphical operating systems, including MacOS X and Android, can be
referred to as UNIX-like. ...... "

IN FULL .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] New features in 11.04

 

That;s a very unfair position and untrue of Windows and Microsoft. But
you mention your reasons which can be understood.

I think this is offensive actually ..... (quoted)
<<<but we need to burn our fingers a few times before we learn to avoid
fire. >>>

I am guessing you probably mean the crew that does other than "Safe
Practices" - meaning visiting shady areas on the Net, opening spams
looking for possible deals actually (Spam Mart lol) , going for free
stuff in Peer to Peer, etc.

Otherwise (and I had opened a IT Security for Home/Small Business in
South East Pennsylvania USA with a couple of programmers in the family)
that is very offensive to the chronic 45 to 55 Billion USDollars ripped
off from USA Citizens yearly since stats going back to 2005-6 and the
approximately 4 percent that became "un-people" that can never get
credit cards again because of the credit companies as a direct result of
the ID Theft committed against them. These people were as normal and
average as any User on the world wide web. They were not security savvy
and got scammed, ripped off, and victims of Identity Theft and further
in business as victims of crimewares called "Ransomware". These people
certainly did not need to ...
<<<but we need to burn our fingers a few times before we learn to avoid
fire. >>> ....they were innocent victims of crimewares and botnets being
run by dangerous murderous internet crime gangs - many being the young
"Russian Gangs".

This would tread by me into what nobody here wants to here - a windows
security thang. Microsoft has been up for monopoly charges several
times. No angels - but mostly found innocent. But we are talking Linux
security and there are two incidents that turned the head. One was Linux
was among a handful of others in official legal publications legally
termed as "riskware " in 2009 I believe it was. Microsoft Windows has
never been legally termed as "riskware". This is a legal court term too.
Linux NEVER disputed that. The other is that Windows Vista is the ONLY
found operating system and software that does not allow rootkits to run
on or in it as Linux does. Neither had Linux achieved Unix Certification
whereas Windows was the only one to do so until very very very recently.
For education visit "Vista Bashing". Bill Gates and Microsoft were ready
to sue at law for libel the lies and defaming of Vista that had reached
levels of actually hurting sales. Some Linux users and otherwise love to
be Windows Bashers and will lie through their teeth while doing it -
possibly even setting up their new marks for cyber crime on Linux. The
truth came out that it was software creators that have been the largest
security hole on Windows - not Windows. That's what the Vista release
was all about. It was so sophisticated that even the antivirus companies
took a couple of years to create "Vista Certified" products. Most - the
best they could create was "Works With Vista" and most all software
creators to this day. This shows who the master programmers are in the
world. This is why it is locked code as 90 percent of the world uses it.
Sure they got rich. So did Henry Ford and still sells a reasonably
priced product with all the competition. Windows Vista was actually the
crown jewel of security software for the decade (2000 - 2010). Viruses
can NOT write to the computer disk in Vista. Rootkits can NOT run on
Vista with UAC on as instructed and recommended (User Account Control).
I don;t believe there is any other such operating system in the world.
It was intentionally designed for this and Bill Gates and Microsoft
challenged the world to create more secure softwares. They knew Vista
would bomb heavily because of software compatibility. This was quite
INTENTIONAL. It was their crown jewel in computing security by creating
the actual operating system itself as the most secure software in the
world. It has taken this long to this year but the first reports of UAC
being cracked by malware have come in.

The whole point was that in security I did my homework and know what I
am talking about. What is to blame is not Windows for you. What is to
blame is the cyber criminal underground. These have so unmercifully
without conscience attacked the world community of computer users in
theft that makes the old american mafia look like a cancelled brownie
meeting. A golden horde.

I respect Linux and Users, and I am one and a contributor and will
continue to be so for life no doubt. I don't think the spread of "feel
good security" ignorantly or otherwise is helping anyone and especially
the person trying to hide behind it - not believing it themselves. I
feel your (quoted ) <<<I am a bit jaded about Windows.>>> should be
where it belongs - against Cyber Thieves and not Windows. FYI... again
Windows has been Unix Certified years and years ago meaning stable and
secure. Linux has not achieved that as being only "Unix-Like" Certified
as somewhat unstable and somewhat not secure.

I think you need a lesson in security which may change your "jaded
opinions of windows". In law and fact, the show is on the other foot and
we should not deceive people as you made the best security point to
being a responsible Netizen by securing your computer with your best
ability as being malware free.

That was a fantastic truth ISPs and the entire security community have
wished for all users on all systems. That is my view and teaching that
the beginning of wisdom on any computer is to "Never operate any
computer without antivirus minimum". Period.

gerald philly pa usa
Perhaps a new string about security is necessary.
(I have been on windows over 10 years)

On 10/30/2011 5:13 PM, Roy wrote:
> If anyone is unsure, the DO err on the side of caution. You are right. As
> you use Linux then you will see what I said about being not worth the
> effort. If I was a good citizen then I would care about spreading viruses
> to Windows users. While I can' t be infected I can still be a carrier. If
> you are conscientious, then this is a serious consideration. I am a bit
> jaded about Windows. I figure that people get what they deserve. That may
> sound harsh, but we need to burn our fingers a few times before we learn to
> avoid fire.
>
> I appreciate your thoughts. It makes me remember how I once felt. It is not
> wrong to feel like protecting others. I just feel the futility of it when I
> know how big the problem is and how little MS cares about users or
> security. Their answer is UEFI (not their invention, just their
> excuse)which is like wrapping Swiss cheese in a zip lock. You can keep
> things out but it is still Swiss cheese inside. Once you open the bag you
> will risk mold and contamination. If they really cared then they would fill
> the ziplock with something more substantial.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/sep/28/windows-8-secure-boot-worry
>
> Roy
>
> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit
> Location: Canada
>
>
> On 29 October 2011 20:06, G.LinuxDucks<g.linuxducks@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Well thanks Roy. I was hoping this did not get taken wrong to be
>> anything other than how it turned out as some civil discussion. I
>> appreciate you taking the time and sharing your extensive experience - a
>> veteran now 10 year user of Linux. Anyone can plainly see you had/have
>> no reason to lie about anything and your long experience is the great
>> value here. You have made many good points. I think your views are most
>>
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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] New features in 11.04

 

I see you did take something wrong or read something into it. "Computer
Dummy" or "Computer Security Dummy" are very friendly terms from many
professional news publications and their Editors to the audience. Many
very newbie friendly blogs and websites and groups and lists use these
terms too - and all in context is in a very warm friendly publication
and information sharing format.

You took that out of context. I called no one a dummy but used the
friendly terms explained above here and mentioned in the posts as well.
You should be more precise and not read something into this that is
PLAINLY not there. Thanks. ( ! )

gerald philly pa usa

On 10/30/2011 5:45 PM, c beck wrote:
> Quoted from g.linuxducks:
>> Hopefully this reply post is received as intended as nothing personal or
>> defamatory or anything BUT to make discussion of a very intense and
>> lengthy subject affecting all computer users.>
> You may want to avoid calling people 'dummy' if that statement above I'd
> true... ;)
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Re: [nslu2-linux] Re: What happened to the nlsu2 repositories?

 

Mike, does this mean that we should install the Optware feeds to continue to receive updates?  (I noticed that I haven't seen any updates for my SlugOS/BE 5.3-beta install in a long while.)

Can you edit <http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe> to include a quick line to run /sbin/setup-optware.sh?  I know that the instructions are at <http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/SlugOS/SlugOS5>, but the former is a little easier to find when trying to figure out how to setup Optware.  (A link to the second page from the first should also do.)

Thanks.

-Jimmy

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Mike Westerhof (mwester) <mwester@dls.net> wrote:

 

The native feeds are obsolete and exist no longer -- they've been empty
for a long time now. Basically, with optware we were able to get all
packages to cross-compile, so you should find everything in the
appropriate "cross" or "stable" feed.
-Mike (mwester)

On 8/31/2011 2:50 PM, Stefano wrote:
> Well, it seems this is still an open issue. No way to found a native directory in http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/slugosbe. Any idea on how to fix this?
>
> Thanks
> Stefano
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>> Thanks Tom,
>>
>> The symlinks you say were created are not visible on the http pages; e.g. http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/ does not contain a 'native' directory. So I would guess that trying to update my slug would still fail to connect (don't have access to it to try it immediately).
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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Dangerous Linux Virus

 

On 10/31/2011 8:00 AM, Scott wrote:

> Errm, for those who aren't native English speakers, perhaps it's not
> clear. It's a joke. It's (the joke, not the virus), has been around
> for years, often insulting various ethnic groups, as well as blondes,
> basically, any group that has had a reputation for unintelligence.

Yep!

YOU HAVE NOW RECEIVED THE UNIX VIRUS

This virus works on the honor system:

If you're running a variant of Unix or Linux, please forward this
message to everyone you know and delete a bunch of your files at random.

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/snip/
> > > 3. type "rm -fr" and press enter.
>
> > And just what is the name of that so-call virus? If you have to do the
> > steps you said, you would be kicking yourseft, not the virus. And I take
> > it, this comes in an e-mail telling you to do the steps to remove the
> > so-call virus.
>
> Errm, for those who aren't native English speakers, perhaps it's not
> clear. It's a joke. It's (the joke, not the virus), has been around
> for years, often insulting various ethnic groups, as well as blondes,
> basically, any group that has had a reputation for unintelligence.
>
> The other version, for Windows users is, you have received the (insert
> group you wish to insult here.)
>
> Pleaes remove random files from your computer.
>
Heh, I'm a native speaker of English.. but also a bit hard headed. I
couldn't tell from the OP if he was warning people not to do those
commands, that they should do those commands, or if he was just joshing
around... as long as nobody actually tries typing those commands, all is
well. :)
> --
> Scott Robbins
> PGP keyID EB3467D6
> ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6
>
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> term? Should I say undead American?
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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Dangerous Linux Virus

 

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:41:31AM -0400, dvdpst wrote:

> > I know this has been posted before, but it bears repeating.
> >
> > There is a dangerous Linux virus on the loose. It works like this.
> >
> > 1. su to root
> > 2. Change to the root directory

> > 3. type "rm -fr" and press enter.

> And just what is the name of that so-call virus? If you have to do the
> steps you said, you would be kicking yourseft, not the virus. And I take
> it, this comes in an e-mail telling you to do the steps to remove the
> so-call virus.

Errm, for those who aren't native English speakers, perhaps it's not
clear. It's a joke. It's (the joke, not the virus), has been around
for years, often insulting various ethnic groups, as well as blondes,
basically, any group that has had a reputation for unintelligence.

The other version, for Windows users is, you have received the (insert
group you wish to insult here.)

Pleaes remove random files from your computer.

--
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PGP keyID EB3467D6
( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
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http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/7-deadly-linux-commands.html

Loyal is playing with us.

Roy

Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit
Location: Canada

On 31 October 2011 01:11, c beck <usabecker@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Oct 30, 2011 10:07 AM, "loyal_barber" <loyal_barber@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this has been posted before, but it bears repeating.
>>
>> There is a dangerous Linux virus on the loose. It works like this.
>>
>> 1. su to root
>> 2. Change to the root directory
>> 3. type "rm -fr" and press enter.
>>
>> If any of you comes across this virus, please do not do the steps
>> above. Immediately pack your Linux computer and ship it to someone
>> who knows what they are doing.
>>
>> Loyal
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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Xubuntu menus

 

I prefer the XFCE session to the Xubuntu session, the menu is much
more detailed. I usually change their login screen as well, I find
that blue skyline login desktop is ugly. I edit the lightdm files and
put in my own desktop. If it wasn't for the all the work involved,
which I don't feel like doing, I'd probably run a distro like Arch or
even Linux From Scratch.

GR

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com> wrote:
> Xubuntu is themed by Canonical and XFCE Session is out of the box XFCE. The
> same thing will happen if you install Kubuntu and KDE or Ubuntu and GNOME
> (pre-11.04). The desktop environment is a separate project and Canonical
> adds its own flavour to it.
>
> Roy
> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit
> Location: Canada
>
>
> On 30 October 2011 14:23, GR Gaudreau <grgaud@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Roy, much appreciated. I've noticed the menu is different when
>> I run a Xubuntu session than an XFCE session when loging in. I prefer
>> the XFce session.
>>
>> GR Gaudreau
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
>> >
>> > Roy
>> >
>> > Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit
>> > Location: Canada
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 29 October 2011 19:15, c beck <usabecker@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> sent from a mobile device
>> >> On Oct 29, 2011 2:15 PM, "revgaud" <grgaud@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> I'm new to the list. I've been running Linux for a while now, but still
>> >> consider myself a noob. I've been looking for a way to edit menus
>> manually
>> >> in Xubuntu 11:10, and so far all I[ve been able to find is that
>> >> /usr/applications seems to be the place to do this. Is there a file
>> >> somewhere that can be edited to change the main menu in Xubuntu?
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Revgaud
>> >>>
>> >> I'm on mobile so can't verify, but the info on the link below looks like
>> >> what I was editing in xfce, who's is the desktop xubuntu is using...
>>  should
>> >> get you started at least I hope
>> >>
>> >> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/
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sent from a mobile device
On Oct 30, 2011 10:07 AM, "loyal_barber" <loyal_barber@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know this has been posted before, but it bears repeating.
>
> There is a dangerous Linux virus on the loose. It works like this.
>
> 1. su to root
> 2. Change to the root directory
> 3. type "rm -fr" and press enter.
>
> If any of you comes across this virus, please do not do the steps
> above. Immediately pack your Linux computer and ship it to someone
> who knows what they are doing.
>
> Loyal

This supposed to be a joke?

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Dangerous Linux Virus

And just what is the name of that so-call virus? If you have to do the
steps you said, you would be kicking yourseft, not the virus. And I take
it, this comes in an e-mail telling you to do the steps to remove the
so-call virus.

david

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:07 AM, loyal_barber <loyal_barber@yahoo.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> I know this has been posted before, but it bears repeating.
>
> There is a dangerous Linux virus on the loose. It works like this.
>
> 1. su to root
> 2. Change to the root directory
> 3. type "rm -fr" and press enter.
>
> If any of you comes across this virus, please do not do the steps
> above. Immediately pack your Linux computer and ship it to someone
> who knows what they are doing.
>
> Loyal
>
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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] New features in 11.04

There is a typo in the above. The first line should be then err on the side
of caution.

Roy

Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit
Location: Canada

On 30 October 2011 17:13, Roy <linuxcanuck@gmail.com> wrote:

> If anyone is unsure, the DO err on the side of caution. You are right. As
> you use Linux then you will see what I said about being not worth the
> effort. If I was a good citizen then I would care about spreading viruses
> to Windows users. While I can' t be infected I can still be a carrier. If
> you are conscientious, then this is a serious consideration. I am a bit
> jaded about Windows. I figure that people get what they deserve. That may
> sound harsh, but we need to burn our fingers a few times before we learn to
> avoid fire.
>
> I appreciate your thoughts. It makes me remember how I once felt. It is
> not wrong to feel like protecting others. I just feel the futility of it
> when I know how big the problem is and how little MS cares about users or
> security. Their answer is UEFI (not their invention, just their
> excuse)which is like wrapping Swiss cheese in a zip lock. You can keep
> things out but it is still Swiss cheese inside. Once you open the bag you
> will risk mold and contamination. If they really cared then they would fill
> the ziplock with something more substantial.
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/sep/28/windows-8-secure-boot-worry
>
> Roy
>
> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit
> Location: Canada
>
>
> On 29 October 2011 20:06, G.LinuxDucks <g.linuxducks@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Well thanks Roy. I was hoping this did not get taken wrong to be
>> anything other than how it turned out as some civil discussion. I
>> appreciate you taking the time and sharing your extensive experience - a
>> veteran now 10 year user of Linux. Anyone can plainly see you had/have
>> no reason to lie about anything and your long experience is the great
>> value here. You have made many good points. I think your views are most
>> common over all with most Linux users. The only thing different with my
>> view basically I think is being a Windows user an making the decision to
>> err on the side of caution. They call us the windows paranoa spilling
>> over to Linux as a newer user which is not an exaggeration.
>>
>> Very honestly for the heck of it I wish you would try ESET for Linux. It
>> is full free for a 30 day trial to decide to buy or not. With your
>> experience I think you would be much abler to discern what is going on.
>> Honest and honest no lie - it is like it is not even there once
>> installed. (I have tried AVG which left Linux unusable and had to remove
>> it, too bogged down. Stunk on Ubuntu 10.04)
>>
>> But the only reason I suggest this is that ESET for Linux has Real Time
>> Protection (heuristics) and displays stuff like "Blocked Attempts" in
>> real time while browsing. It may or may not strengthen or change your
>> position. I was shocked at seeing real time browsing threats blocked on
>> my Linux. I simply could not believe it. I am a daily user myself and
>> spend no less than an hour daily. All kinds of activities which is why
>> also I mention this.
>>
>> The other thing about Linux antivirus you will find in ESET what you
>> were talking about. ESET is a more quality product. It scans in real
>> time everything you open and close. Everything including email. These
>> are user settings. You can trim it back or nudge it forward into levels
>> of intensity for monitoring in real time all things as well as on demand
>> scans. In other words, because of its quality, is why it wan the VB100
>> Award.
>>
>> I am not trying to change your mind at all ---- just actually my
>> position is to finally know Linux like the back of my hand as I do
>> Windows and security-wise. I can manually find any malware in a Windows
>> machine. I can not yet do that with Linux. To this area only is why I am
>> suggesting you try ESET for Linux and I think you will be very surprised
>> as to what you think is secure. This has been my experience with Linux
>> so far. I have never seen anyone from Linux anywhere call the
>> VirusBulletin Labs liars who have tested and "certified" ESET as 100
>> percent protection against actual real time threats. I mean obviously
>> they could even possibly be up for lible suits etc, but in the least VB
>> is one of the most honest independent testing labs in the world for
>> years on end. If they lied they would be an internet laughing stock in
>> other words. No one has ever talked that way about them. I trust their
>> findings 99.9999 percent acurate.
>>
>> If I wanted to make my point with your view which I do not, I would
>> mention that about VirusBulletin ....
>> http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/index
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_Bulletin
>> ....my point would be this is what is called "imperical data"
>> indisputable and fact. Anyone saying otherwise would be assumed under a
>> mental condition or ignorant period. In other words in every court of
>> law in the world their findings about ESET and Linux malware would be
>> fact and expert opinion. Any Linux user without this background simply
>> can not state their "opinion" as anything other than that - thoughts or
>> impressions etc. When corrected with these cold facts - it is supposed
>> to educate them to a more truer view of truth. It would be assumed they
>> then would speak the same with a modified or changed or enhanced opinion.
>> The point I am trying to make is you had continually said there are no
>> facts available for Linux malware. Well there most certainly is -
>> indisputable facts that if you did not believe would have to prove in a
>> court of law thay they were lies or incorrect in some manner. am
>> guessing you are not an expert in Linux and malware so that until you
>> were there would be no way your opinion could be accepted as otherwise
>> than simply spreading ignorance and a false sense of comp[uting security
>> endangering other susceptible users. But like I said I am not trying to
>> make this point but would be my smoking gun for anyone denying the
>> malware threat today to Linux.
>> In short this would mean who do you think you are kidding - yourself or
>> others ? You are saying Virus Bulletin Labs are full of poop ? That
>> there is no danger to the average user and they should not then install
>> defense ? Particularly Real Time Protection (heuristics) defense ? Do
>> you even know what Real Time Protection processes are ? blah blah blah....
>>
>> Again, thank you very much for sharing your experiences and are
>> beneficial to myself and to others I am sure that may be reading along.
>>
>> gerald philly pa usa
>> http://linuxducks.webs.com/
>>
>>
>> On 10/29/2011 8:36 AM, Roy wrote:
>> > I did say that people will say otherwise. Meaning that it is my
>> opinion. I
>> > did not state it as fact. I disagree with your position. Quoting Bit
>> > Defender and other sites like it who have a vested interest or magazines
>> > that like sensationalism is not proof of anything. Microsoft will tell
>> you
>> > that Windows is secure.anybody can say what they want, but it does not
>> make
>> > it true.
>> >
>> > I base my OPINION on using Linux for over 10 years almost exclusively. I
>> > have had a broadband (always on) connection for all of that time. I use
>> the
>> > internet extensively. I download through bittorrent and usenet. I have
>> three
>> > browsers open at once most of the time. I get email from Windows users.
>> And
>> > I have never had a single problem. That is not proof of anything, but
>> it is
>> > my experience and the experience of almost every Linux user. In fact, I
>> have
>> > never met anyone having had a malware or virus issue. I have hundreds of
>> > followers on on just about every social media site. I have hundreds of
>> RSS
>> > feeds that I read daily. I listen to just about every Linux podcast
>> there is
>> > and there are dozens. It is not like I am deaf to what is happening.
>> >
>> > There are only a handful of Linux viruses and none in the wild. None has
>> > been reported for years and none has spread from one user to another.
>> > Malware is a potential threat, but Linux is sandboxed with userspace and
>> > root being separate. Any malware would have trouble infecting root
>> unless
>> > you provide access. There is no case of this happening that I am aware
>> of. I
>> > am not saying that it can't happen, but it is unlikely. Linux is not
>> perfect
>> > and users are the weak link, but because of the way it is structured
>> and it
>> > is hard to infect and even harder to spread, so people who do this sort
>> of
>> > thing are unlikely to go to the trouble. They pick the low hanging
>> fruit,
>> > which is not Linux.
>> >
>> > I have tried AV software and it is more trouble than it is worth,
>> especially
>> > considering two things, the lack of threat and the fact that it must be
>> used
>> > manually to scan incoming files. Anybody suggesting an imminent threat
>> is
>> > either spreading FUD or has a vested interest, IMO.<--- note
>> >
>> > Users can decide for themselves. This is not gospel, just an opinion
>> and I
>> > worded it that way. I caution users, especially Windows users who are
>> used
>> > to serious threats, that Linux is different. The level of threat is not
>> the
>> > same and the lack of resources to combat threats is lacking because of
>> it.
>> > There are Linux applications for everything. The lack of support for AV
>> and
>> > malware is not indicative of carelessness nor a shortcoming. It is
>> > indicative of the lack of need.
>> >
>> > Roy
>> > Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit
>> > Location: Canada
>> >
>> >
>> > On 28 October 2011 20:42, g.linuxducks<g.linuxducks@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> -------------------------CUT----------------------------CUT----------------------------/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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