Thursday, March 31, 2011

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:55 PM, dlp <dvdposton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Puppy will run on it. Puppy is base on Ubuntu.
>
> david

Will the Puppy Linux live CD boot on 64 MB? Even Barry's version
(wary) is around 80 MB, and the whole thing needs to load in RAM
right? I suppose if you had formatted a swap partition ahead of time,
or copied the files off the CD directly onto the harddrive for a
frugal install, there would be no issue. Is there a boot option
needed to only load essential files instead of the entire thing?

>
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:26:31 -0400
> J <dreadpiratejeff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 17:22, Ken <kshansen@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > > I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II processor and 64 MB
> > > Ram.
> > >
> > > Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular version? Just looking
> > > for something to play around with, maybe surf the web email and such.
> >
> > Yeah... you're going to be hard pressed to get any modern linux
> > running on that... You may be able to get one of the small distros
> > like Puppy or Damn Small Linux running on it. It's possible you can
> > get something with no GUI running like a server oriented distro, or
> > something along those lines.
> >
> > To be honest, it's been forever since I ran anything with 64mb of RAM.
> > If you can find more RAM somewhere and get it to 256 you'll have a
> > much better chance. It'll still be horribly slow, but a lot better
> > than with 64MB.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > jeff
>
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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

 



Hopefully you understand how easy it is to perform a RAM Upgrade on the desktop. You have 64 RAM which is frankly absurd in today's PCs (not meant unfriendly) BUT not for Linux and sounds like a 95 at best. A RAM Upgrade is completely specific to Make/Model. A RAM Upgrade is simply buying the litlle (about smaller than a pocket comb) memory stick and plugs into the Empty Row inside the desktop computer box. Generally, a RAM Upgrade is the same size as you have, here 64 RAM, so that you would install another 64M memory stick giving you total 128m RAM.

Shopping online at memory shops usually have search engines for products and you type in Make/Model to see what is available. With only 64RAM (and hopefully you are reading that correct ??? Go To Start > Control Panel > System to see) you are on a dinosaur. Must be a 95 or earlier ? (Wow. Is this a Commodore your talking ? ) So with older machines the hunt for stuff is for what is left out there actually. You might consider building the machine by other components.

I appreciate the love of labor here but you may be getting into more aggravation than the machine is worth considering the cheapest Netbook is only $210 (USD). Next up is all the others at $300 USD which will be like 1Gig RAM and near or over a 100Gig hard drive (Solid State). If you chuck it - keep the Monitor because they can plug right into the Netbook or get a wide screen under $130 USD. In other words you could be spending up to $200 USD just to bring the antique up to speed and any part can die anytime. BUT great idea to simply get Linux as a "live operating system" again whereas up to Windows XP Service Pack 3 is no longer supported by Microsoft and virtually all security products (antivirus etc).

Another point is the processor, anything under 800 Megahertz as a painfully slow dog. Check that at System too.

Check out http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/desktops/8248-linux-distros-for-older-hardware
"....For these tests, I dug out Igor, an old PC that had been collecting dust in my closet. Igor is a Pentium II 233MHz machine with 64MB of RAM, an 8x CD-ROM drive, a 3GB hard drive, and an integrated ATI 3D Rage Pro video card with 4MB of video RAM. You can run Linux on older and slower machines, but this is the most under-powered machine I had available. "

Check out...
http://en.kioskea.net/faq/8584-running-linux-on-small-configurations#what-os-for-my-old-pc
"...Here are some screenshots: http://static.commentcamarche.net/en.kioskea.net/pictures/4DnWowMz-ccm1-s-.png ....
Damn Small Linux running on a machine with 64 MB of RAM ... and there is still room in memory despite Firefox launched: ..."

RAM Upgrade... Edge is great... http://www.edgetechcorp.com/
SEE http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/addmemory.mspx

TIP: There may also be a dial up modem upgrade available generally from windows but may be at pc manufacturer like a v.92 upgrade increasing processor speed. I did that with an old Compaq box.

I was just at a forum last night and lost the damn link. There is a side box plug in of 64RAM they were adding and was called something like "WEDO" or something like that. Gotta get back on my linux box and will reply with the link for that. Another promising venture, inexpensive, that can immediately double your RAM. Again, you are sure you are not looking at like some utility software showing you onlu currently have 64 RAM available right ? I mean in year 2001 with the XP Release all manufacturers were building minimum 256M RAM 'puters for reference.

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> I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II processor and 64 MB Ram.
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> Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular version? Just looking for something to play around with, maybe surf the web email and such.
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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

 



--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kshansen@...> wrote:
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> I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II processor and 64 MB Ram.
>
> Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular version? Just looking for something to play around with, maybe surf the web email and such.
>

Short answer not today.

128MB RAM absolute rock bottom 512MB more realistic target. I've been getting better out of trash piles for about 10 years. I'm on a dumps box now that's a 2GHz P4 with 512MB RAM, one behind me is a 1GHz P3 512MB dustbin special as well. Both worthless in the Windows world today but they can run Linux.

If I can do it you can do it too. I *KNOW* you can do better! So join a Freecycle group right here at Yahoo! and prove me right. Honestly I left a bar one night and found a better PC at the curb than what you propose.

Or just use the PC you're on now with a USB key distro. I'm not saying it is impossible to run Linux on your 64MB P2 just it isn't worth the electricity it'd draw doing it, let alone your time and heartache setting it up is all.

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[LINUX_Newbies] Re: Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

 

You might try unity Linux or tiny Linux. One or both were designed for limited resource installations.
Just FYI.
Jontheisguy

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kshansen@...> wrote:
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> I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II processor and 64 MB Ram.
>
> Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular version? Just looking for something to play around with, maybe surf the web email and such.
>

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011

Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

 

If that wasn't clear... in other words a 64M RAM Upgrade would give you
now 128M RAM. They generally have extra various sizes according to
model. You may even find a 128M RAM add in bringing total to 192M
RAM.... I don't think you'll find much bigger and still that is
atrocious today. I would consider chucking it actually but keep the
monitor especially if the Processor is like less than 600 Megahertz. Too
slow too aggravating and not worth that I would be sorry to say. By the
time your down with the project you could simply have had a 300 dollar
new netbook or even one I have an EEE PC 900 series for $210.00 USD (us
dollars). I mean 200 bucks and your in business. Solid state drive too.
You can use your old PC Monitor or get a new wide screen for well under
150 bucks.

Unfortunately, the older boxes were built with no vision at all of the
future and how all the media and wi-fi downloading media has exploaded.
My original desktop was a Compaq (year 2001 new with XP) that had a
33Gig drive at $2000. For $400 on this netbook I have a 120Gig drive to
make the point. The desktop had only 256RAM and this has 1Gig RAM all at
one fourth of the price. Plus you can set up a dual boot with all the
memory available with both systems running that fast.

I appreciate the labor of love you are involved in, but my opinion is
actually move on. You just can't really rebuild the old boxes from what
I have seen - which is another area to consider - rebuild by replacing
components of the old box.

On 3/31/2011 1:03 AM, g.linuxducks wrote:
> hey ken... ya u have a project to upgrade the old box as best
> possible. Hopefully you do know about a RAM Upgrade ? It is a simple
> stick of memory you plug into an empty row inside the computer box.
> This is completely specific to model and make but some memory stores
> online have instant search boxes typing the info in to show what is
> available. The older the pc the more you have to hunt for anything
> left for it. Generally the RAM memory stick upgrade is the memory
> stick the same size as came with the box so that for yours the most
> common available would be another 64M Ram stick. I call it a stick
> because they are about or a little smaller than a pocket comb and you
> get gold connectors rather than brass (rusts, corrodes). Don't forget
> your "static straps" - 5 bucks radio shack (prevents static arcing
> across electronic board, damages).
>
> LINKS http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/addmemory.mspx
> Edge is pretty good, great on shipping, honest
> http://www.edgetechcorp.com/ http://www.edgetechcorp.com/memory/
>
> You can also hunt around Microsoft or the pc manufacturer for any dial
> up modem upgrade that is usually retrieved through Windows Updates.
> May find an upgrade increasing processor power. I got that an old
> compaq v.92 modem.
>
> PROMISING....
> QUOTE>>*>**Re:New Linux Convert - Distro for Pentium II 200 Mhz*
> First we found some EDO-RAM lying around, and we plugged it in. Now
> its about 90 MB of ram.<<<
> SOURCE
> http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/forums/showthread.php/12332-New-Linux-Convert-Distro-for-Pentium-II-200-Mhz
>
> Check that out for EDO-RAM....
>
>
> On 3/28/2011 5:22 PM, Ken wrote:
>>
>> I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II
>> processor and 64 MB Ram.
>>
>> Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular
>> version? Just looking for something to play around with, maybe surf
>> the web email and such.
>>
>>

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

 

hey ken... ya u have a project to upgrade the old box as best possible.
Hopefully you do know about a RAM Upgrade ? It is a simple stick of
memory you plug into an empty row inside the computer box. This is
completely specific to model and make but some memory stores online have
instant search boxes typing the info in to show what is available. The
older the pc the more you have to hunt for anything left for it.
Generally the RAM memory stick upgrade is the memory stick the same size
as came with the box so that for yours the most common available would
be another 64M Ram stick. I call it a stick because they are about or a
little smaller than a pocket comb and you get gold connectors rather
than brass (rusts, corrodes). Don't forget your "static straps" - 5
bucks radio shack (prevents static arcing across electronic board,
damages).

LINKS http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/addmemory.mspx
Edge is pretty good, great on shipping, honest
http://www.edgetechcorp.com/ http://www.edgetechcorp.com/memory/

You can also hunt around Microsoft or the pc manufacturer for any dial
up modem upgrade that is usually retrieved through Windows Updates. May
find an upgrade increasing processor power. I got that an old compaq
v.92 modem.

PROMISING....
QUOTE>>*>**Re:New Linux Convert - Distro for Pentium II 200 Mhz*
*First we found some EDO-RAM lying around, and we plugged it in. Now its
about 90 MB of ram.* <<<
SOURCE
http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/forums/showthread.php/12332-New-Linux-Convert-Distro-for-Pentium-II-200-Mhz

Check that out for EDO-RAM....

Check out ...
Distro Watch.com
A full listing of available Linux
Systems<http://linuxducks.pro-forums.com/ftopic25.php#>
http://distrowatch.com/

On 3/28/2011 5:22 PM, Ken wrote:
>
> I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II
> processor and 64 MB Ram.
>
> Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular
> version? Just looking for something to play around with, maybe surf
> the web email and such.
>
>

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

 

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 09:22:55PM -0000, Ken wrote:
> I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II processor and 64 MB Ram.
>
> Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular version? Just looking for something to play around with, maybe surf the web email and such.
>

Wow. It might be good for something like puppy linux. (You can look
over distrowatch.com and take a look at some of the distributions there.
Desktop oriented distributions like Ubuntu, Fedora, and SuSE aren't good
candidates. Fedora, at least, won't even give you a graphical install
with less than 512 MB of RAM.

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Introduction

 

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 02:10:27AM -0400, Iamwithin wrote:
> Hello world!
>
>
> Anyway, good to be here and hope to learn. (I was nervous about posting
> after reading all the do's and don'ts.) I'm sure I'll have questions and
> maybe an answer or two, (I like eye candy and am always trying something
> new.)

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are many top posters, including some of the most helpful members.
Still, on Linux lists in general, it's best to do inline posting.

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> I'll try to remember down posting as opposed to Top posting Mr.
> moderator. And I hope I set up Thunderbird to send this in TEXT.

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

 

Puppy will run on it. Puppy is base on Ubuntu.

david

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:26:31 -0400
J <dreadpiratejeff@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 17:22, Ken <kshansen@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II processor and 64 MB
> > Ram.
> >
> > Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular version? Just looking
> > for something to play around with, maybe surf the web email and such.
>
> Yeah... you're going to be hard pressed to get any modern linux
> running on that... You may be able to get one of the small distros
> like Puppy or Damn Small Linux running on it. It's possible you can
> get something with no GUI running like a server oriented distro, or
> something along those lines.
>
> To be honest, it's been forever since I ran anything with 64mb of RAM.
> If you can find more RAM somewhere and get it to 256 you'll have a
> much better chance. It'll still be horribly slow, but a lot better
> than with 64MB.
>
> Cheers
>
> jeff

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Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

 

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 17:22, Ken <kshansen@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II processor and 64 MB
> Ram.
>
> Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular version? Just looking
> for something to play around with, maybe surf the web email and such.

Yeah... you're going to be hard pressed to get any modern linux
running on that... You may be able to get one of the small distros
like Puppy or Damn Small Linux running on it. It's possible you can
get something with no GUI running like a server oriented distro, or
something along those lines.

To be honest, it's been forever since I ran anything with 64mb of RAM.
If you can find more RAM somewhere and get it to 256 you'll have a
much better chance. It'll still be horribly slow, but a lot better
than with 64MB.

Cheers

jeff

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[LINUX_Newbies] Seminar

 

For those of you who are living in the south east of the UK I will be running a seminar 0n Wednesday May 11th 2011 at 4.30 PM at Seaford Baptist Church.

The seminar is really for absolute beginners and is by way the way of introducing Linux to the uninitiated. The cost will be £5 and all money raised will be donated to a local charity, Waves.

I have uploaded a picture advertisement (made with GIMP) which you might care to use to promote this.

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Monday, March 28, 2011

[LINUX_Newbies] Hope this isn't too Newbie for a Newbies Group

 

I have an older HP computer, not this one, that has a Pentium II processor and 64 MB Ram.

Would this be a good candidate for Linux and if so any particular version? Just looking for something to play around with, maybe surf the web email and such.

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