On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 01:12:49AM -0000, Paul wrote:
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> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Scott <scottro@...> wrote:
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> For example, I tried Mint, and changed
> > the desktop from Gnome to Fluxbox and my network stopped working.
> >
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> This is how I fixed that:
> aptitude remove network-manager
Yup, that's what I do on Fedora/RH systems, which I use for work. With
Mint, it was more curiosity, as someone had said (on a Fedora forum)
that it was better in that respect than Fedora--turned out not to be the
case, they both tie too much to the GUI.
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> Like all great commands it is completely counter intuitive. Might be a good idea to install pump before you do it though. Just in case.
>
Yup, and I can install Arch and not even worry about it. Actually, it's
easier for me to install Fedora, as I'm used to getting over its efforts
to make me do it its way, and no doubt, if I were forced to use Ubuntu
at work, I'd figure out how to do it with the Ubuntu based
distributions.
NetworkManager, often unaffectionately referred to as NetworkMangler,
might be good some day--it's actually fairly decent on my wife's laptop,
but on Fedora forums, I see it fool a number of people into thinking
their wireless won't work.
I would say that most of the desktop distributions based on Gnome these
days try to ram it down people's throats.
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> > Many of the desktop distros go in this direction now, tying sound,
> > networking, or other essential system services to the GUI.
>
> Now now lets lay blame where it is deserved. There is a daemon process that messes this up called avahai-daemon. Watch for it in top.
> Check out this ebil looking bugger: http://avahi.org/ I think he is Mr. Magoo's pet bear.
>
> this fixes his wagon:
> sudo update-rc.d avahi-daemon remove
>
> Another incantation most of us aren't born knowing.
Agreed. But even removing Avahi (which I usually do in Fedora as
well--in their case it's chkconfig avahi-daemon off chkconfig
avahi-dnsconfd off
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> I'm guessing that modern distros are coming wireless enabled and wired people have the burden of configuration today. I don't know for sure though as soon as I get things working I move on. If you decide you like the evil bear just switch remove with defaults to get him back. Not so sure how you'd get network-manager back if you're offline, I never wanted to personally.
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It's a bit weird how they work it these days. Ubuntu's default will
connect both wired and wireless---but if you have a static IP
NetworkMangler was breaking it in Fedora for awhile, don't know about
Ubuntu.
My own procedure with Fedora, which as mentioned, is what I'm more or
less stuck with, is to do a minimal install, which doesn't install NM.
Then, when I add X, it sometimes sneaks in--if it does, I disable it
immediately.
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> What killed me in Ubuntu was a few very annoying bugs I ran up against but never got to the bottom of because I ditched it for Debian. Did file a couple of reports though.
>
> Well there was the 155 total processes on the system with a blank desktop and the .20 load at idle too that I wasn't too keen on either.
>
Yeah, latest Fedora seems to have a .45 load while doing almost nothing,
with openbox and couple of a terminals. In contrast, this CentOS box,
running openbox and a couple of terminals, as well as a mail server and
web browser has a load of 0.
> I got a stripped bare Lenny box that can be in fluxbox running top with 32 total procs in 50MB RAM. Yeah Debian is worth it!
>
My own first love is for the BSDs. They're even better that way, IMHO.
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