running a distro that used grub legacy then it does not pick up grub2
distros. ie. If you are running Fedora prior to the latest then it will
only install grub entries for distros that use grub legacy. It is the same
with Mandriva or openSuSE. If it uses Lilo it will not make any entries for
distros that use grub. Ubuntu seems to pick up more than most and I have
used almost every distro. Things have improved much over the years. You
seldom need to manually fix grub entries whereas a few years ago you had to
do it a lot.
I think that Unity *was* stable with 11.04, but it was half baked. It was
very locked down, had few features compared to the previous desktop and the
current one and was not very configurable which is different from
stability. I think that it took its knocks from users but it emerged better
in 11.10 as promised by Canonical. It will be even better with 12.04.
Users need to be reminded that this decision was not *totally* in
Canonical's control. It had three choices stay with a dying desktop (GNOME
Classic) which was being phased out by GNOME and not Canonical or switch to
GNOME Shell or Unity.
The first option would have been favoured by many users, but if you have
used Ubuntu for a while you know that it is not their style. They push
change and are not one to stay with a desktop that has no future. They also
allow users time by offering support for older versions with no requirement
to upgrade. Some people jumped the gun and needlessly put themselves in an
uncomfortable position and then blamed Canonical for abandoning them. The
second option of using GNOME Shell was the worst, IMO. It has had its own
problems with acceptance and it was just not as widely publicised because
Ubuntu is so big and the only GNOME distro with the same six month release
cycle is Fedora whose users tend to be not as quick to upgrade and more
skilled to do what they want. The third decision was the right one.
Timing was Canonical's biggest problem. They were in a race against time.
GNOME had planned the move to GTK 3 for awhile, but nobody knew what GNOME
Shell would look like for awhile and it too was half baked. When it
became apparent that the change would be huge for the entire GNOME
community and that Canonical did not have much control (and little pull
with GNOME) they took matters into their own hands. Then they had to act.
Unity was the result. Should it have been the default desktop with 11.04?
That is a question for the ages. However, GNOME 2 was still installed and
users did not have to use Unity. Using GNOME Classic as the default would
have changed Ubuntu's reputation as an innovator and a distro that
is driving the Linux desktop forward. They have worked too hard to
establish themselves as cutting edge to go back, IMO.
The six month cycle is not required. Users do not have to upgrade and can
wait 18 months for regular releases and three years (now five as of this
April) for LTS. I think that much of the problems could have been avoided,
but we can go forward with 12.04 LTS and things should be a smoother ride.
Just keep in mind (those who have not switched to Unity) that it is out
with the old and in with the new, not just with Ubuntu but with every GNOME
based distro and that you have many options without switching distros.
Some people who have older computers are getting left behind, but that is
not limited to Ubuntu. The kernel, drivers and architecture support for
many distros have changed as well. Also affected are die hard, no
compromise, GNOME 2 users. Their solution is to install an older distro
such as Debian stable. That will by you at least two years of time, but
change is inevitable even there.
Roy
Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit
Location: Canada
On 19 March 2012 21:37, iloveubuntulinux <valchaulinux@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
>
>
> I stayed with 10.04 myself and used that distro to teach Linux as well
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, c beck <usabecker@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:55 AM, iloveubuntulinux
> > <valchaulinux@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ubuntu 10.04 has been a very stable release for me and I am
> disappointed in Canonical
> > > for releasing their new Unity desktop prior to it being really
> stable...I await their April
> > > release this year, hoping they have stabilized their changes. I have
> used Ubuntu since
> > > 2006 and only avoided using it during 2011 and this part of 2012. But
> 10.04 is still very good.
> >
> > Did you actually stop using Ubuntu during this time? Or do you just
> > mean you stopped the distribution upgrades? 10.04, as 12.04, are long
> > term support, meaning there is no reason not to continue using the
> > desktop as security stays current (though 2015 at the moment).
> >
> > >
> > > Note that the 12.04 release (which some of my Linux students are
> trying out) uses GRUB 2 and that sometimes this GRUB 2 has a problem
> identifying other Linux distros present if those use GRUB legacy version.
> > >
> >
> > Not sure I follow unless you are chainloading a separate grub for each
> > OS on the HD. If you are using Grub 2, this is not a bad idea, as
> > Kernel updates are ignored if 'update-grub' is not run from the
> > partition where it's bits and pieces sit (or so I've been told). I
> > prefer to just install the old Grub though and not bother with Grub2.
> >
>
>
>
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